What Killed NJH?

[Haskell_Hunter]

3 minutes ago, TheGreek said:

Can I get the cliff notes professor Haskell


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No.  Quiz on Thursday.  Goes on your permanent record.

[Bucksnbows]

The only right answer was the sale of the site.  NJH was awesome and we would all still be on it had Dragthor kept it or sold it to a NJ sportsman or woman.  

[Bonefreak]

1 hour ago, Bucksnbows said:

The only right answer was the sale of the site.  NJH was awesome and we would all still be on it had Dragthor kept it or sold it to a NJ sportsman or woman.  

Whatever happened to Dragthor??

[Bucndoe]

I lurked there for a long time reading posts. A very good friend of mine who was very popular there convinced me to join so I did. It was good for awhile but absolute power corrupts absolutely. He was a real good in the outdoors with vast knowledge that he loved to share. He died, I stayed for awhile but then got out of dodge. Too many people on there giving very false information and some real hatred there towards certain groups. I hunt and fish to relax, not argue with people about things they know nothing about or have zero experience with.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Bucndoe

[Live to Hunt]

3 hours ago, Haskell_Hunter said:

I can tell you how NJH died.  I've been closely following it since NJWW hit the Internet.

NJWW started because Matt was pissed off that he didn't get to buy NJH and felt slighted over it.  So in protest, he started NJWW.  He announced it to some folks and a few of us registered.  When OSOKILL started banning people, that's when the scales started to tip.  I was one of the folks who got a lifetime ban.  For trolling.  I was mostly trolling OSOKILL with facts, but hey, when progressives are faced with facts the censor people.  But it was the banning and the fact that an alternative was available was what killed NJH.

I am teaching my classes this semester a few things about business.  One of the most important if not THE most important thing about a business is customer service.  People have to feel that they are getting something of value from you in order for them to continue being your customer.  When they don't feel like they're getting anything of value they will seek out alternatives in the marketplace.  Business 101.  If you look on NJH or on this site for my historical posts, you'll see that I was saying this years ago right around the time Matt started the site.  It's a normal thing that most people will do.  If you get shit service, you ain't going back.  If you get great service, you may pay more/travel further/etc., but you'll go back because it's a good experience.

But there's more to it than just that.  People are creatures of habit.  Many folks, several who are regular posters here, referred to NJWW as "the snoozer site" refusing to post here.  Even as bad as NJH was, they still had a larger audience than NJWW, and folks didn't want to come over here.  One of the major reasons for staying over at NJH were post counts and historical posts.  There are things known as "switching costs" that prevent people from moving from one company to another.  Those were the things that people would lose if they came here.  So most people remained on NJH for those reasons.  That created a pretty tight audience.

But there were three events that tipped the favor to NJWW:

1. Ms. Grit getting banned.  This event made everyone on NJH question OSOKILL and his actions.  In the beginning most people tolerated it, but you don't mess with Ms. Grit.  He did.  After that, Ms. Grit said she was never coming back to NJH, and I don't think she has.
2. When Jack got banned.  I was already banned at this point so I have no idea why Jack was initially banned.  But this was a major event that brought a lot of folks over to NJWW.  As we all know, Jack never shuts up.  Ever.  In the world of forums, this isn't a bad thing.  Let's give some credit where credit is due:  Jack posts a lot.  Jack posts a lot of hunting shit.  Jack loves talking about all kinds of hunting shit.  Jack likes to stir the pot and get people talking.  Jack never shuts up.  So when Jack left NJH vowing never to go back, NJH lost a significant poster who people liked interacting with.
3. NJWW First Annual Christmas Party.  These forums are largely social but rarely in-person.  When folks came out to NJWW's Christmas Party at Pub 199, a tradition that was a NJH tradition, it made the difference.  People could match screen names with faces, laugh, trade stories, and really bond with one another.  I know personally that after I attended that event, there are at least 15 guys on this site that I know personally and see in-person a few times a year.  Now the NJWW Christmas Party is a solid annual tradition.  New faces, same faces, always a lot of laughter.  We get folks traveling 3 hours one-way to attend.  It takes the "social" aspect of the site and makes it Pro Staff (heh...).

There are other events along the way that made a difference.  Jay getting banned, creating a new account, spamming the site, getting banned again, rinse repeat until they blocked his IP address.  Just another log on the fire of bad customer service.  I don't think anyone was immune to the crappy treatment the site admins dished out.

So here we are.  The "snoozer site".  NJWW.  It is the culmination of the contributions of everyone on this site.  Some better than others, but this site is good because of the people posting here.  You may not agree with all of it and may be annoyed by some of it.  But such is life.  We are a diverse community and our mods have the thankless job of deciding what stays and what goes.  They will never satisfy everyone, and that shouldn't be what they're measured against.  They must used a balanced approach to keep us all in line, and they'll never do it right.  But they do it, and for the most part it's working.  That's what will keep this site going and prevent it from becoming like NJH.

My $0.02.

Good read Timmy 

[RPK0620]

Bush's Fault !

[Rusty]

2 hours ago, Live to Hunt said:

Good read Timmy 

You read the whole thing???  There aren't even any pictures, I didn't make it past the introduction.  

[Haskell_Hunter]

5 minutes ago, Rusty said:

You read the whole thing???  There aren't even any pictures, I didn't make it past the introduction.  

Some educator you are.  I ain't sendin' my kids to ur school.

[Rusty]

9 minutes ago, Haskell_Hunter said:

Some educator you are.  I ain't sendin' my kids to ur school.

My classes are in the woods, there isn't a whole lot of reading involved.  

[Haskell_Hunter]

8 minutes ago, Rusty said:

My classes are in the woods, there isn't a whole lot of reading involved.  

Oh, your class is like gym with trees.

[hunterbob1]

30 minutes ago, Rusty said:

My classes are in the woods, there isn't a whole lot of reading involved.  

 

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Edited April 6, 2020 by hunterbob1

[Rusty]

27 minutes ago, Haskell_Hunter said:

Oh, your class is like gym with trees.

Exactly!  

But we have more fun.   

[MGHunter66]

3 hours ago, Live to Hunt said:

Good read Timmy 

Yep , well said

[Gunsmoke]

Too many miserable bastards posting negative comments that eventually ran rampant to the point that it seemed like every thread had at least one negative post.  They just killed the site.  The constant selling including the one-post wonders was the nail but it was way done before that.  Too many opinionated A-Holes.

It's unfortunate because the early days and even for a few years it was truly a great site where you would learn and meet new members and the guys were great. 

I had a flashback last week on this site when a member unprovoked verbally assaulted another member which was completely uncalled for.    

[Gunsmoke]

1 hour ago, Rusty said:

My classes are in the woods, there isn't a whole lot of reading involved.  

 

Other than reading the signs of course.