BowhunterNJ Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Hey guys, in light of the recent tragedy to a fellow hunter and friend of one of our site's members, I thought I'd pass along an excellent site regarding safety lifelines hunters can use while climbing trees. They say most falls occur while climbing, and I can tell you after starting to use the lifelines myself, they certainly give you a much greater peace of mind and comfort when climbing to and from your stand. Obviously there are still safety concerns as initial stand setup is required, and lifelines are meant to be used after that part, but from hunt to hunt out of a fixed stand, these are great tools that can help keep you safe from the moment you leave the ground until you touch back down again! If you have some time, check out Safe Tree Hunt. The site was originally hosted on Geocities years ago and has since moved to it's own host. It has a wealth of information on the lifeline systems as well as a Product line he sells himself. Definitely worth the time to check out and invest in, for your sake as well as your family's and friends'! Website: http://safetreehunt.com/ Their Products: http://safetreehunt.com/products/ Good luck, stay safe, and shoot straight! Zipper, Kayak Ken, Bucksnbows and 1 other 2 2
NJBowman Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Jack bought one of those things that looks like a seat belt. You leave it in the tree and pull the cord down when you get ready to climb, the belt clips to your harness and in the event of a fall stops just like a seat belt. I will have one for my mine and Courtneys stand very soon.
Cousin Brown Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Great post , should be pinned. Turkeyslayer and Hatchet 2 Treestands don't demand, treestands don't complain, treestands simply ask me to sit down and listen.
Axiom Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 They say most falls occur while climbing Almost fell yesterday when a branch i was holding on to broke...good post...
BowTechExperience Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Definately a huge fan of a "lifeline". Several years ago I fell about 18' from a treestand. Totally my fault. I was rushing to get up the tree with my climbing sticks and did not make sure that the strap had completely secured itself behing the button. I go to step off the last step when the section pulled away from the tree. Everything happened in slow motion. I got REAL lucky because I fell into a small sapling pine that broke my fall half way down. I remember falling away from the tree and staring up as I fell. When I made contact with the pine , it kinda vaulted me forward and I landed on my hands and knees as if I were a dog. I tore the butt section of my pants on my left side of my body basically from the back of the thigh up to the cheek. Had a little road rash on the leg and butt but I survived. I picked up my stick and climbed back up into the tree. I called my buddy on the walkie and told him what happened. he wanted to come make sure I was ok. I was ok at the moment, but about 15 minutes later the realization of what took place sunk in on me and I kinda whent into shock. I was afraid to move a muscle. It took me over 30 minutes to get the courage to stand up in the stand and climb back down. Now I don't climb a tree without a lifeline. When I am initally setting up. I use a lineman belt to do the initial climb, but once I am at my max height when setting up the climbing sticks, the lifeline is the next thing to go on the tree before the stand is even hoisted up. As a matter of fact, I just got another one in the mail today for the stand I'm hanging tomorrow. Edited September 18, 2013 by BowTechExperience BillW0323 1
sam3 Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Jack bought one of those things that looks like a seat belt. You leave it in the tree and pull the cord down when you get ready to climb, the belt clips to your harness and in the event of a fall stops just like a seat belt. I will have one for my mine and Courtneys stand very soon. They work well John. I would check and lubricate the moving parts after the end of the season. The weather can do a toll on them and can keep it from retracting while climbing up.
nycredneck Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I have a lifeline installed on all 4 of my setups, well worth the time,effort and money. BowhunterNJ and Myreezoning 2 Elite Pure... Bow only, deer hunter
MackofallTrades Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I actually use my tree strap on the tree as I climb. I loosen it and slide it up each time it gets taut. It is a pain, but it is safer than a lineman's belt and since I use a climber and rarely use the same tree, a lifeline rope would rarely help me. BowhunterNJ, nycredneck, BillW0323 and 1 other 4 - Mack
Gruntmaster Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 The life line with the prussik knot great setup. Retractable lanyards are a better choice , but must be left in tree, not cool, theft and weather conditions can destroy them. I use them for construction work, they are equipment that needs to be taken care of, not left outside in the elements. Going to setup a lifeline-prussik knot on next trip to the stand. BowhunterNJ, BillW0323 and Myreezoning 3 NRA Life Member"From My Cold Dead Hands" I'm all for Gun Control...I use both Hands.
Bucksnbows Posted January 19, 2014 Posted January 19, 2014 I've been surprised at the very high cost of most lifelines on the market! So I went out and bought the rope and am making my own for far less than 25% of retail costs. No need when using a climber, but on my ladder and hang-ons, they are the way to go. BowhunterNJ and Myreezoning 2 https://www.troutscapes.com/ https://nativefishcoalition.org/national-board
BowhunterNJ Posted January 19, 2014 Author Posted January 19, 2014 BnB, yes definitely. I made my own based on the info in the links I posted in the main link. Buy in a bit more bulk for better pricing, and make a bunch. I probably have 6 or 8 of them. Regardless, small price to pay for a lifeline! Also be sure to use the right rope, I've seen guys using stuff they get in Home Depot and that isn't the right stuff for a lifeline purpose. Better than nothing, but I wouldn't say you can trust your life with it. Bucksnbows and Myreezoning 2
Bucksnbows Posted January 19, 2014 Posted January 19, 2014 BnB, yes definitely. I made my own based on the info in the links I posted in the main link. Buy in a bit more bulk for better pricing, and make a bunch. I probably have 6 or 8 of them. Regardless, small price to pay for a lifeline! Also be sure to use the right rope, I've seen guys using stuff they get in Home Depot and that isn't the right stuff for a lifeline purpose. Better than nothing, but I wouldn't say you can trust your life with it. Yeah, I found what I was looking for online but not at Lowes, Home Depot or Tractor Supply. https://www.troutscapes.com/ https://nativefishcoalition.org/national-board
Gruntmaster Posted January 19, 2014 Posted January 19, 2014 Definitely pays to use the right rope. The home depot stuff is just going through the motions... That rope will not stand up to the stress that a fall will tax a rope after a fall. What do you have a broken rope, and someone in the hospital. Doesn't make sense to me, spend the 10 percent more and purchase the right material for the job...Your life depends on it. Bucksnbows 1 NRA Life Member"From My Cold Dead Hands" I'm all for Gun Control...I use both Hands.
Gruntmaster Posted January 19, 2014 Posted January 19, 2014 You really need to be very careful buying rope. Home Depot may have some good multi purpose rope but for climbing that's a whole different story. I purchased some great marine grade rope from them years ago, 15 plus years still strong as the day I bought it. But I would not trust it for climbing, never designed for climbing. All climbing rope is supplied with a tag or certification from the manufacture showing the tensile rating. If you don't see that info...."BEWARE". Zipper 1 NRA Life Member"From My Cold Dead Hands" I'm all for Gun Control...I use both Hands.
BowhunterNJ Posted January 19, 2014 Author Posted January 19, 2014 Right, I'm pretty sure this is what I used, 1/2" New England Ropes KMIII in olive drab color.It's classified as a fall protection rope. KMIIIKMIIIView Larger ImageProduct Description:KMIII static rope is a balanced construction consisting of a continuous filament polyester cover braided over a unidirectional nylon core. KMIII is designed to meet the rigorous requirements associated with rescue and rappelling operations. KMIII is dual certified (CE & NFPA).Features:5/16" - UL Classified to NFPA 1983:2006 for Escape Rope.3/8" & 7/16" - UL Classified to NFPA 1983:2006 for Light Use1/2" & 5/8" - UL Classified to NFPA 1983:2006 for General UseApplications:Vertical LifelineRappellingCavingCanyoneeringWork PositioningHigh LinesFall ProtectionClimbingSRTAboristClimbing Gym (top roping)Ropes CoursesColors Available:WhiteRedBlueBlackOlive DrabOrangeSafety GreenLengths Available:150'200'300'600'Size Weight Tensile StaticElongation % Classificationlbs/100' g/m lbs kg5/16" 4.0 59.5 4,500 2,043 4.1 @ 1.35 kN (300 lbf)7.7 @ 2.70 kN (600 lbf)11.5 @ 4.40 kN (1000 lbf)Escape Rope3/8" 4.4 65.5 6,000 2,724 3.6 @ 1.35 kN (300 lbf)6.5 @ 2.70 kN (600 lbf)9.5 @ 4.40 kN (1000 lbf)Light Use7/16" 5.8 86.3 8,000 3,632 2.9 @ 1.35 kN (300 lbf)5.1 @ 2.70 kN (600 lbf)8.0 @ 4.40 kN (1000 lbf)Light Use1/2" 7.9 117.5 10,000 4,540 2.7 @ 1.35 kN (300 lbf)4.6 @ 2.70 kN (600 lbf)6.8 @ 4.40 kN (1000 lbf)General Use5/8" 10.2 151.7 11,000 4,994 2.0 @ 1.35 kN (300 lbf)3.6 @ 2.70 kN (600 lbf)5.4 @ 4.40 kN (1000 lbf)General UseSunlight/UV:Very little degradation from sunlight. Can be used outside over long term if inspected regularly.Chemicals:Nylon will degrade with strong oxidizing agents, mineral acids, and 90% formic acid. May discolor when exposed to high levels of carbon dioxide. Polyester has good resistance to most chemicals, except 95% sulfuric acid and strong alkalines at boil.Heat:Nylon melts at 460°F with progressive strength loss above 300°F. Polyester melts at 480°F with progressive strength loss above 300°F.Dielectrics:Good resistance to the passage of electrical current. However, dirt, surface contaminants, water entrapment, and the like can significantly affect dielectric properties. Extreme caution should be exercised any time a rope is in the proximity of live circuits.Sheaves:Recommended sheave diameter to rope diameter is 8:1.Working Loads:No blanket safe working load (SWL) recommendations can be made for any line because SWL's must be calculated based on application, conditions of use, and potential danger to personnel among other considerations. It is recommended that the end user establish working loads and safety factors based on best practices established by the end user's industry; by professional judgment and personal experience; and after thorough assessment of all risks. The SWL is a guideline for the use of a rope in good condition for non-critical applications and should be reduced where life, limb, or valuable property is involved, or in cases of exceptional service such as shock loading, sustained loading, severe vibration, etc. The Cordage Institute specifies that the SWL of a rope shall be determined by dividing the Minimum Tensile Strength of the rope by a safety factor. The safety factor ranges from 5 to 12 for non-critical uses and is typically set at 15 for life lines.Splicing Instructions:Not Spliceable Website link: http://www.teufelberger.com/en/products/climbing-recreation/static-ropes/kmiii.htmlAnd I used 8mm Petzl Rescue Cord for my friction hitch (most use prusiks, I used a Klemheist [see below]). 8 MM RESCUE CORDStatic rope designed primarily for tying Prusik hitches on VECTOR 11 mm and VECTOR 12.5 mm ropesExcellent performance when belaying with the Tandem Prusik techniqueAvailable in four colors for easier identification of different kitsStandard lengths Website link: https://www.petzl.com/US/EN/Professional/Ropes/RESCUE-CORD-8-mm#.V7xYd_krLRYAnd here's the info on the Klemheist hitch/knot that I used: The klemheist knot or Machard knot is a type of friction hitch that grips the rope when weight is applied, and is free to move when the weight is released. It is used similarly to a Prusik knot or the Bachmann knot to ascend or descend a climbing rope. One advantage is that webbing can be used as an alternative to cord. The Klemheist is easier to slide up than a Prusik. The klemheist is also a way to attach a snubber to the anchor rope of small boats, with the advantage that it is easy to undo.Sometimes the knot name is misspelled as kleimheist, with an extra i. Klem means clamp in Dutch. Arborist video on it: And how to tie it: heavybergara 1
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now