How Many Turkeys?

[Lunatic]

Limiting people from harvesting an animal because  of skill level or time put in is a slippery slope. No one is prevented from purchasing a tag or tags so we are all given equal chances. However, let’s face it we are not all equal and this should not be rectified through laws and regulations. Work to get better. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by Lunatic

[bushden]

13 minutes ago, Lunatic said:

Limiting people from harvesting an animal because  of his skill level or time put in is a slippery slope. No one is prevented from purchasing a tag or tags so we are all given equal chances. However, let’s face it we are not all equal and this should not be rectified through laws and regulations. Work to get better. 

I think everyone should be given an equal chance, I personally do not think we should have to have separate permits for specific zones.  I would like to see one license for anywhere in the state with a two turkey limit. That would give all an equal chance and turkey WHORES will have to be satisfied with two and then if they love turkey hunting like I do they can share their expertise with friends and go out and call for them. It is easier to take a bird hunting in pairs than alone

Edited January 4, 2021 by bushden
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[Lunatic]

5 minutes ago, bushden said:

I think everyone should be given an equal chance, I personally do not think we should have to separate permits for specific zones.  I would like to see one license for anywhere in the state with a two turkey limit. That would give all an equal chance and turkey WHORES will have to be satisfied with two and then if they love turkey hunting like I do they can share their expertise with friends and go out and call for them. It is easier to take a bird hunting in pairs than alone

To agree or disagree with your idea I would need to know something about bird population in all these zones. Are we killing too many or not enough? 

[bushden]

1 minute ago, Lunatic said:

To agree or disagree with your idea I would need to know something about bird population in all these zones. Are we killing too many or not enough? 

It would be almost impossible to regulate but I rally think if the state were open with a two bird limit in the long term populations will level out. There are areas where large numbers of racoon, fox and coyotes hurt the population the guys shooting high numbers of birds won't be hunting those areas anyway, they only way to bring back populations in areas not over hunted affected by predictors is to allow trappers in to lower the numbers of predictors and the turkey numbers will come back on those farms.

[vdep217]

59 minutes ago, bushden said:

I think everyone should be given an equal chance, I personally do not think we should have to have separate permits for specific zones.  I would like to see one license for anywhere in the state with a two turkey limit. That would give all an equal chance and turkey WHORES will have to be satisfied with two and then if they love turkey hunting like I do they can share their expertise with friends and go out and call for them. It is easier to take a bird hunting in pairs than alone

Doing away with zones and permits would not bode well saftey and hunt quality wise.

[bushden]

12 minutes ago, vdep217 said:

Doing away with zones and permits would not bode well saftey and hunt quality wise.

The safety part would be on the individual hunters as for quality well I just don't know the answer there. Look at WMA during pheasant its a zoo I know and may be with no zones for Turkey but I just think the trade off would benefit us overall. Just my opinion speculation on right or wrong is anybodies guess.

[Lunatic]

6 minutes ago, bushden said:

The safety part would be on the individual hunters as for quality well I just don't know the answer there. Look at WMA during pheasant its a zoo I know and may be with no zones for Turkey but I just think the trade off would benefit us overall. Just my opinion speculation on right or wrong is anybodies guess.

But what are you trying to correct? If turkey population then your idea may be counterproductive in areas which now hold birds. You end up with most people I n these zones. 
I don’t think management by zones should ever be eliminated for Turkey or Deer.  No single idea works for the entire state. 

[vdep217]

4 minutes ago, bushden said:

The safety part would be on the individual hunters as for quality well I just don't know the answer there. Look at WMA during pheasant its a zoo I know and may be with no zones for Turkey but I just think the trade off would benefit us overall. Just my opinion speculation on right or wrong is anybodies guess.

Thats the whole reason for turkey season as is to limit the number of hunters turkey is different than any other game in terms of how they are hunted.  Yes pheasant fields are a zoo but hunters can readily see one another and even more so with orange.  Plus the ability to hunt after noon.

 Unlike deer turkey tend to congregate in specific areas in spring  shrinking huntabke land.

[bushden]

25 minutes ago, Lunatic said:

But what are you trying to correct? If turkey population then your idea may be counterproductive in areas which now hold birds. You end up with most people I n these zones. 
I don’t think management by zones should ever be eliminated for Turkey or Deer.  No single idea works for the entire state. 

Well I guess we have to agree that we disagree with each others opinions on this one. There are areas that have so many turkeys they are a nusince and others like Hopewell that at one time, at least where I am, had large flocks but today do not. perhaps the answer is to manage not by zone but my WMA'S to limit the number of hunters on those properties and private land managed number of hunters would be up to the land owner of the private land.  I still think the 2 bird limit for the entire season no matter where you hunt should be imposed.

Edited January 4, 2021 by bushden

[nickmarch]

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Populations change as the habitat changes.  Large flocks turn into small flocks. 

Predators take way more birds than hunters take.  Hunters for the most part take toms and Jake's but there are always enough of them to knock up the hens but as habitat and predation gets out of wack there are less suitable nesting areas and to much predation. 

[Eyesofthewoods]

2 is enough for me and with the way they rape you on the cost that will always be enough.  

[Bucndoe]

The permits are $24 which works out to $4.80 a day. I don't consider that part a raping. Go to NY and buy a non resident tag and it's $120 for 2 tags. Its a 31 day season statewide in NY but most guys will only hunt weekends. That works out to $15 a day if both days are hunted through the month. Is NJ that unreasonable  with that math ? I'm also not including the fall tag and season that comes with a NY license.

Like anything, statistically, 10 percent of the turkey hunters are getting 90 percent of the birds.

Edited January 4, 2021 by Bucndoe

[Fred Flintstone]

1 hour ago, Bucndoe said:

The permits are $24 which works out to $4.80 a day. I don't consider that part a raping. Go to NY and buy a non resident tag and it's $120 for 2 tags. Its a 31 day season statewide in NY but most guys will only hunt weekends. That works out to $15 a day if both days are hunted through the month. Is NJ that unreasonable  with that math ? I'm also not including the fall tag and season that comes with a NY license.

Like anything, statistically, 10 percent of the turkey hunters are getting 90 percent of the birds.

I might be part of that 10 or 20% . I still think that 5 Gobblers should be the absolute Limit in New Jersey for the Spring Season. 

    That is more then generous in a fairly small State and as,I wrote-- equals The " Alabama Experience" of 5 Gobblers.

[vdep217]

I agree some changes could be made but we need to stop comparing nj to other states.  We are the most densely populated state and having probably the least huntable land.  We can not compare in terms of how many animals should be taken or not.

[BowhunterNJ]

We need @Thunderchicken to come back!  He's been MIA for a long time, hope he's doing OK!