MOVED Nj hunters who use Elys Deer Processing

[mazzgolf]

One main problem with CWD (and why it's so much worse than, say, EHD) is the prions are so hard to destroy and they could lay in the environment for years. At least with EHD - the mites that carry the virus die off after the first frost and the disease stops spreading.

From: https://dwr.virginia.gov/wildlife/diseases/cwd/what-are-prions/

• "They [CWD prions] can be frozen for extended periods of time and still remain infectious. To destroy a prion it must be denatured to the point that it can no longer cause normal proteins to misfold. Sustained heat for several hours at extremely high temperatures (900°F and above) will reliably destroy a prion."
• "CWD prions may remain infectious in soil for at least two years but likely longer."

Needless to say, even our heat waves of 100+ degrees won't destroy them. 

Bleach can decontaminate butchering tools but even 100% bleach can't destroy the prions in tissue. From https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/household-bleach-inactivates-chronic-wasting-disease-prions

• "A 5-minute soak in a 40% solution of household bleach decontaminated stainless steel wires coated with chronic wasting disease (CWD) prions"
• "Notably, the study failed to find an effective method to decontaminate CWD-infected solid tissue. Pieces of CWD-infected brain retained prion activity even after a 30-minute soak in 100% bleach. Investigators note that bleach fails to penetrate tissues and should be used only as a surface decontaminant."

So - the prions could lay around a butcher shop for however long - and who knows how easy it is for them to hitch a ride on people coming and going (on their boots say) and spread to where ever that person goes. But here's my theory on another reason why they don't want out of state deer coming over the border - where is the carcass going to go after the butcher (Ely's or whoever) is done with it? They throw it in the trash - goes to the dump, where wild deer might come into contact. And as studies show, even dunking the carcass in 100% bleach won't destroy the CWD prions so its not like the butcher can process the carcass somehow to try to destroy the prions before throwing it away. Or, suppose someone gets to the butcher and is told, "We are full - we can't accept anymore" or you are told it'll be so-and-so dollars to butcher and you didn't realize it would be that much and you can't afford it, so you opt not to drop it off. In either case, it is possible the hunter will just go dump the carcass in the woods somewhere because he can't butcher it himself or he can't find another butcher. If that even happens 1 out of 100 times (and you know it happens), if that deer has CWD he's just contaminated the area where he dumped the carcass for YEARS.

[Lunatic]

I think this butcher will be hit hard by this. Sounds like NJ hunters are a major part of his business. Pa bag limit can not translate to too many deer hitting his shop. 
If so he may need to open a small shop in NJ just to receive, skin and quarter deer before transferring to PA

[Lunatic]

10 hours ago, mazzgolf said:

One main problem with CWD (and why it's so much worse than, say, EHD) is the prions are so hard to destroy and they could lay in the environment for years. At least with EHD - the mites that carry the virus die off after the first frost and the disease stops spreading.

From: https://dwr.virginia.gov/wildlife/diseases/cwd/what-are-prions/

• "They [CWD prions] can be frozen for extended periods of time and still remain infectious. To destroy a prion it must be denatured to the point that it can no longer cause normal proteins to misfold. Sustained heat for several hours at extremely high temperatures (900°F and above) will reliably destroy a prion."
• "CWD prions may remain infectious in soil for at least two years but likely longer."

Needless to say, even our heat waves of 100+ degrees won't destroy them. 

Bleach can decontaminate butchering tools but even 100% bleach can't destroy the prions in tissue. From https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/household-bleach-inactivates-chronic-wasting-disease-prions

• "A 5-minute soak in a 40% solution of household bleach decontaminated stainless steel wires coated with chronic wasting disease (CWD) prions"
• "Notably, the study failed to find an effective method to decontaminate CWD-infected solid tissue. Pieces of CWD-infected brain retained prion activity even after a 30-minute soak in 100% bleach. Investigators note that bleach fails to penetrate tissues and should be used only as a surface decontaminant."

So - the prions could lay around a butcher shop for however long - and who knows how easy it is for them to hitch a ride on people coming and going (on their boots say) and spread to where ever that person goes. But here's my theory on another reason why they don't want out of state deer coming over the border - where is the carcass going to go after the butcher (Ely's or whoever) is done with it? They throw it in the trash - goes to the dump, where wild deer might come into contact. And as studies show, even dunking the carcass in 100% bleach won't destroy the CWD prions so its not like the butcher can process the carcass somehow to try to destroy the prions before throwing it away. Or, suppose someone gets to the butcher and is told, "We are full - we can't accept anymore" or you are told it'll be so-and-so dollars to butcher and you didn't realize it would be that much and you can't afford it, so you opt not to drop it off. In either case, it is possible the hunter will just go dump the carcass in the woods somewhere because he can't butcher it himself or he can't find another butcher. If that even happens 1 out of 100 times (and you know it happens), if that deer has CWD he's just contaminated the area where he dumped the carcass for YEARS.

NJ should seriously consider stopping baiting in this state. It will be too late to do it after the outbreak happens. You really can't do it effectively mid season and I think it will take a year or two of heavy enforcement before people take it seriously. By the time its implemented most deer will be infected.   I have no idea what is this state waiting for?  

[mazzgolf]

2 minutes ago, Lunatic said:

NJ should seriously consider stopping baiting in this state. It will be too late to do it after the outbreak happens. You really can't do it effectively mid season and I think it will take a year or two of heavy enforcement before people take it seriously. By the time its implemented most deer will be infected.   I have no idea what is this state waiting for?  

Follow the money and I have a feeling you will get your answer.

I have a feeling they are getting pressured (or fear of getting pressured) by farmers and hunters both. Farmers probably make a lot of money selling deer corn and they would be hit hard by the ban. Hunters will complain and threaten to not buy licenses and permits because they can't kill deer because they won't be able to lure them out from developments where they are feasting on Aunt Mae's azaleas ... not to mention the deer harvest numbers will go down and the insurance companies will complain of increased payouts for deer-auto collisions.

 

[hunterbob1]

12 minutes ago, Lunatic said:

NJ should seriously consider stopping baiting in this state. It will be too late to do it after the outbreak happens. You really can't do it effectively mid season and I think it will take a year or two of heavy enforcement before people take it seriously. By the time its implemented most deer will be infected.   I have no idea what is this state waiting for?  

Walmart CEO stack say don't worry,corn we sell from China okay Joe.

https://www.card.iastate.edu/ag_policy_review/article/?a=59

[Swamprat]

Has anybody from NJ used Ely's this season?   

I have not but still considering it. 

I feel bad I'm sure he's lost a.lot of revenue.  

[deerstalker]

20 minutes ago, Swamprat said:

Has anybody from NJ used Ely's this season?   

I have not but still considering it. 

I feel bad I'm sure he's lost a.lot of revenue.  

I usually take 2 a year but Having to skin and quater  I might as well just finish the process myself 

[vdep217]

I will bring one because my 3 year old lives the snack sticks and honey bologna 

[Swamprat]

7 minutes ago, deerstalker said:

I usually take 2 a year but Having to skin and quater  I might as well just finish the process myself 

That's kinda where my head is at. Similar thoughts. 

[10deer]

are the butchers going to 65.00 since they are doing less work?????????????