NJ Assembly Passes Six Gun Control Bills

[NJ Predator]

13 hours ago, Gruntinbuck said:

There were four more bills introduced yesterday. I was told they have 33 bills total ready. This state sucks ass. I’m sorry I can’t bring them over. Alittle help someone. Chris

What are the four new bills?

[jakesbeard]

As I read this a couple things come to mind, I don't think 1957Buck has even ever visited the USA and I am so glad I moved there last year. NJ is such a cage and most of you have been in it so long you are even Adrain to fly out when the door is open and your little food bowel is empty.

I find myself coming to the NJ sites less and less in part because for me the adventure is now in Va. but also because articles like this are depressing.

[BowhunterNJ]

3 bills introduced on 3/22/18

1 bill introduced on 3/26/18

 

From AR15.com:

 

NEW BILLS FOR NJ INTRODUCED YESTERDAY... This state is f*cked. We are now heading down the same road as California. 

A3697 would make the state's 'assault' weapon ban even more restrictive. 

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A4000/3697_I1.HTM

A3708 would give first priority for firearm purchase cards and carry permits to those that are under the protection of a restraining order 

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A4000/3708_I1.HTM

A3730 would define 'reasonably necessary deviations' for transporting a firearm in a motor vehicle 

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A4000/3730_I1.HTM

S2323 would require anyone wishing to use a firearm at a range to have a firearm purchase indemnification card 
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/S2500/2323_I1.HTM

[BowhunterNJ]

S2323 is bullshit...a non-gun owner who goes shooting with a friend needs to go get an FID to do so?  Go screw yourself!  It's a PURCHASING ID card, not a SHOOTING ID card!  WTF...this bill is nothing more than a discouragement bill, to push people to not want to jump through the hoops in order to shoot.

 

A3730 looks like an area that needs clarification but I still have concerns, it now says: 

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This bill clarifies the type of situations that could constitute reasonably necessary deviations.  The bill provides that reasonably necessary deviations are to include, but not be limited to, collecting and discharging passengers; purchasing fuel, food and beverages, medicine or other supplies; use of a restroom; or contending with an emergency situation.

Does collecting and discharging passengers include overnight stays?  Say you're driving 2-3 hours from South to North NJ to go on a shoot and stay over...OK?

 

A3708 seems reasonable...that's of course if you're willing to ignore the fact that it's impossible to get a carry permit here in the first place.

 

A3697 is more bullshit...

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This bill would strengthen the State’s current assault weapons ban by revising the definition of an assault weapon to include:   rifles with detachable magazines and one military style feature; semi-automatic shotguns with one military style feature; and semi-automatic pistols with one military style feature.

     The current definition of an assault weapon sets forth a list of prohibited firearms and specifically includes any firearm that is “substantially identical” to any of the enumerated firearms.  Under State regulations, a semi-automatic firearm is to be considered substantially identical to an enumerated firearm if it meets certain criteria.  This bill codifies these regulations while expanding the number of firearms that would be considered assault weapons by adding criteria and reducing the number of criteria that must be met from two to one.  For example, under current regulations, a semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two listed criteria would be considered an assault weapon.  These criteria include:  a folding telescoping stock, a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and a grenade launcher.  Under the bill, additional criteria are added including a thumbhole stock and a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand.  The bill also requires that only one criteria be met, rather than the currently required two.

And specifically pay attention to the rifle and shotgun requirements:

 

 (2)   Any firearm manufactured under any designation which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed above, and including, but not limited to:

     (a)   a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

     (i)    a folding or telescoping stock;

     (ii)   a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action  of the weapon;

     (iii) a thumbhole stock;

     (iv) a second  handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

     (v) a bayonet mount;

     (vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor,  muzzle break, or muzzle compensator; or

     (vii) a grenade launcher; or

     (b)   a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following characteristics:

     (i)    a folding or telescoping stock;

     (ii)   a thumbhole stock;

     (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

     (iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds;

     (v)   an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

     (c)   a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:
     (i)    a folding or telescoping stock;

     (ii)   a thumbhole stock;

     (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

     (iv) capacity to accept an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

     (v)   a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;

     (vi) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;

     (vii) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; or

     (viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm.

     (3)   A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a pistol grip, or a folding stock.

     (4)   A semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds.

 

 

[mazzgolf]

That "reasonable deviation" one sounds like the one they tried to pass last year in their package of gun control bills that Christie ultimately vetoed. It was the ONE law they thought was throwing us a bone (because we always complain that stopping to get gas could be considered unreasonable by a judge who woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day).

[Haskell_Hunter]

What did you expect?  NJ is going to go as far as they can for an outright gun ban.  They know it'll be caught up in courts for years if anyone has the money to fight it.  They know they have to votes to get this passed in short order with no resistance whatsoever.

Liberals want to ban guns and confiscate the ones we already have.  If anyone in this country wants to see the liberal rights-trampling and gun confiscation machine in action, they should look no further than NJ.

We should expect the most severe gun restrictions in the country within this year.  They will all pass, and we will all be faced with the decision to hand in our firearms or become felons through non-compliance.

 

[LittleM]

1 hour ago, jakesbeard said:

for me the adventure is now in Va.

Sounds good down there, but isn't your Governor a freaking idiot?

[LittleM]

27 minutes ago, Haskell_Hunter said:

#1 decision to hand in our firearms

Not an option.  Not going to happen.

28 minutes ago, Haskell_Hunter said:

#2 become felons through non-compliance.

Potential option.

 

#3 - Move.

Potential option.

[mazzgolf]

22 minutes ago, LittleM said:

Sounds good down there, but isn't your Governor a freaking idiot?

Virginia is turning purple if not already. Northern VA is going to rule that state soon. They did, after all, vote in the Clintons' man as governor! And voted again another D for governor this year. If I were to move out of NJ (and I do plan to one day), it won't be to VA. I just fear what's going to happen there soon.

[230jhp]

On 3/26/2018 at 9:56 PM, Oneday121o said:

I didn’t even know armor piercing rounds were legal.

I think it depends how they define "armor piercing".  The Obama administration tried to outlaw "green tip" 5.56 ammo, I think their false claim was it is armor piercing. Basically they have no idea about ammo and ballistics so they will likely try to classify any FMJ ammo armor piercing. After their real goal it to make all ammo and firearms illegal.

[mazzgolf]

15 minutes ago, 230jhp said:

I think it depends how they define "armor piercing".

Federal law defines it in 18 U.S. Code § 921(a )(17 ):

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(B ) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

   (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

(C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device

 

This new NJ bill (soon to be law) seems slightly different:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A3000/2759_I1.HTM
 

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... any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. 

 

 

[BowhunterNJ]

A1534 is PRE-FILED FOR INTRODUCTION IN THE 2018 SESSION.  This is a good bill for us.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2018/Bills/A2000/1534_I1.HTM

Sponsored by:

Assemblyman  MICHAEL PATRICK CARROLL

District 25 (Morris and Somerset)

Assemblyman  PARKER SPACE

District 24 (Morris, Sussex and Warren)

Assemblyman  ANTHONY M. BUCCO

District 25 (Morris and Somerset)

 

I especially like the last part, which I've bolded!

STATEMENT

 

     This bill amends and repeals various sections of the statutes to modify New Jersey’s firearms laws.

     As provided in the bill, amendments to current law include:

·         Removing the provisions which require a purchaser to obtain a firearms purchaser identification card (FPID) or a permit to purchase a handgun (PPH).  Under the bill, there will be no permitting required for persons aged 16 and over to purchase long guns or handguns and there will be no background checks conducted, other than those mandated by federal law.

·         Removing the restrictions on the possession, purchase or sale of assault firearms and sawed off shotguns in the State and removing the related registration procedures for assault firearms.

·         Removing the restrictions related to large capacity ammunition magazines and hollow nose, dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets.

·         Removing the restrictions related to and requirement of a permit to carry a firearm in the State.  Under the bill, a firearm – both long gun and handgun – may be carried, either openly or concealed, except in educational institutions, State institutions or courthouses.

·         Removing many of the criminal laws and criminal sentencing provisions related to unlawful possession, carrying, sale, transfer, and manufacture of firearms.  Under the bill, committing any crime while in possession of a firearm would be a third degree crime, for which there would be no mandatory minimum sentences or periods of parole ineligibility attached.

·         Removing the exemptions to unlawful possession, as under the bill possession is no longer restricted to certain persons who meet eligibility criteria for the obtainment of FPIDs or PPHs.

·         Removing the restriction on defacing firearms.

·         Removing the sections of law related to “personalized handguns” and the implementation of their sale when deemed commercially available.

·         Removing the registration and licensing requirements for firearms manufacturers, wholesale dealers and retailers.

·         Removing provisions related to temporary transfers of firearms.  Under the bill, most transfers of firearms would no longer be restricted.

     It is the sponsor’s assertion that New Jersey’s draconian laws respecting firearms freedoms clearly run afoul of the text and history of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, impinge upon the fundamental civil rights guaranteed to all citizens under the New Jersey Constitution, and produce massive injustices while doing essentially nothing to prevent violent criminals from terrorizing residents, often with illegally obtained firearms.

     Meanwhile, states more respectful of their citizens’ basic rights see substantially greater diminution in violence and far fewer cases of rank injustice, as when otherwise law abiding citizens find themselves unknowingly impaled upon one of the technical prongs of New Jersey’s impossibly complicated laws.

     According to the sponsor, the purpose of this bill is to bring New Jersey more into the mainstream of American law, in particular to emulate the legal regime extant in Vermont, toward the end of empowering a free citizenry to defend themselves against violence and to enjoy the freedoms both the Framers of the United States and New Jersey constitutions considered the fundamental rights of citizens.

[Haskell_Hunter]

2 hours ago, BowhunterNJ said:

S2323 is bullshit...a non-gun owner who goes shooting with a friend needs to go get an FID to do so?  Go screw yourself!  It's a PURCHASING ID card, not a SHOOTING ID card!  WTF...this bill is nothing more than a discouragement bill, to push people to not want to jump through the hoops in order to shoot.

I was just thinking about this, and here's the downstream affect:

• You will not be able to shoot with your family--spouses, kids, etc.--unless they have an FID card
• Kids who are too young to get an FID card cannot go to the range with you

This severely restricts all shooting and hunting sports.  It kills any opportunity for you to mentor a new shooter or hunter.  And it is effectively "gun owner/shooter registration".

Illegal aliens don't have to have a voter ID card to vote in elections.  Just another example of liberals giving illegals more rights than law-abiding citizens and their constitutionally-protected rights.

[mazzgolf]

And yet, all the liberals want to say is, "if you own a gun you should at least be trained"

"Oh, but you can't train until you get an FID"

And if you are a kid who wants to be proficient and safe before going out hunting, SOL because they can't get an FID.

[jakesbeard]

2 hours ago, LittleM said:

Sounds good down there, but isn't your Governor a freaking idiot?

Yes he is and the one before was is a criminal plus Mike Bloombergs money comes down and buys votes and media a normal local politician can't afford to fight but in my lifetime he will never be able to turn the house of regents our assembly . 

Lets have a look, here a NICS check is good for handguns, full featured AR15's nothing extra required even the feed store sells handgun ammo just like you where buying a pack of seeds etc.

Many more people shoot here I met more shooters in the few months here than I did in a lifetime in NJ.

Ask anyone Virginia is like 2 separate states but the ugly truth is in time the whole country will go socialist the left like cancer and rust never rests is never satisfied.

Read Alinskys  formula for a change to socialism tops on the list Disarm next is Impoverish (why do you think so much industry and agriculture was so over regulated under Obama and other globalist , why open boarders and not merit based imagration), Chang Education into indoctrination ( has already happend) Control the media has almost happend. Stifle debate happening.

its nice here while it lasts and in the end the last redoubts will be in portions of Idaho  and the  Cumberland plateau mostly in Ky. That area is less than a day's drive if or when the time comes to shop for real estate.

Oh and another thing Va. doesn't have the same machine politics that keep large numbers of corrupt Democrats in office forever with the help of  public employee unions like NJ Iillonis  etc.