New Sex Ed curriculum

[Batsto]

Interesting tread........teaching sex ed to elementary kids is pure deviance. It's sub human. Let kids be kids. 

[allmann]

I understand the idea/somewhat need for sex ed, but anything more than teaching about STDs, the basics of reproductive systems (how a baby is made), and the health aspects should be on the parents.  The problem with schools today, is that they are veering down different paths of what certain people believe they should be taught instead of teaching the necessities of reading, writing, math, history, and science. If there was anything else that should be taught it should be real life skills, ex. finance. The fact that we are dropping lower each year on the education scale, compared to other countries shows that the influence of peoples opinions on sex or race or any other outside influence shows the system has already been corrupted.  I firmly believe that sex ed should not start til 6th or 7th grade also, granted that is my opinion, but I feel its robbing the kids from their youth and forcing them to question things they're not mature enough to understand. This new curriculum has it starting in 1st grade.

Edited April 7, 2022 by allmann

[OldMenRule]

22 minutes ago, JFC1 said:

problem is you can't just mind your own business in public school. That's why it's called "public."  Same goes for a national community. That's why it's called a "community."

I'd say "respect everyone and look carefully at their business, judging it in a way that you'd like your business to be evaluated"

The problem is that the public school system and it's many, many educators and administrators feel they are no longer answerable to the communities that employ them. This is on display daily and is yet another example of progressives and their intolerance. 

[OldMenRule]

14 minutes ago, Batsto said:

Interesting tread........teaching sex ed to elementary kids is pure deviance. It's sub human. Let kids be kids. 

Control the children and control the future. 

[OldMenRule]

31 minutes ago, not on the rug said:

I think my point is that relying on the 10 Commandments or praying to an outside entity rather than becoming introspective are two drastically different things. Believing that you can help yourself is different than believing that god can help you.  It's not that they can't work together, it's just that oftentimes it seems like they don't.  People get down on their luck and they start to pray instead of doing the work on themselves and their situation. 

The WW2 example is actually a good example of how faith "should" work.    I think that god can help me get through the war, but I'm going to do 99.999% of the work to make that happen.  Just don't get home and think it was god that saved your butt and tell the world that it was god that saved your butt, when it was you all along.  The answer is always within you, you just need to know where to look.    Know what I mean? 

I can never recall being taught at home or elsewhere that when things go awry I simply need to pray and wait. Quite the opposite is the phrase God helps those who help themselves. As to introspection, that is one of the basics of Christianity. Jesus went to the desert to pray and to look into himself and God for the strength to tolerate what was to come.     

[JFC1]

1 minute ago, OldMenRule said:

The problem is that the public school system and it's many, many educators and administrators feel they are no longer answerable to the communities that employ them. This is on display daily and is yet another example of progressives and their intolerance. 

true, but it's true also of conservatives and their intolerance.  Book banning is a prime example. Fear of CRT another. 

I double down on my point. What you oppose becomes in your eyes intolerance; and what you support becomes objective truth or "values."  Belief in what can't be ultimately proved doesn't end at religion.

Many of your values are not mine. Nor are Al Sharpton's or Ellen DeGEneres’ and Donald Trump’s.

But we have to deal with all those people's values in ways that go beyond bitching and moaning, homeschooling our kids, or scapegoating just one side of the tango.

The fact that many teachers are both fired for teaching, and actively afraid to teach, certain subjects now is prime data that contradicts your claim about lack of accountability to communities.

On a slightly different but related note, accountability to communities is a difficult subject. If I'm an MD and a patient comes in and tells me his warts are from touching toads and ivermectin will cure his COVID, what am I to do when my science tells me something different? I know my first move would be to take seriously both claims and test them, in the process maybe changing the science. But then what happens when my patient doesn't accept the test results, and doubles down because he "knows it in his heart of hearts (or gut)"? 

[Batsto]

This sex Ed thing is part of the takeover and Deviant Democrats are in with it. 

https://dailycaller.com/2022/04/06/hart-kgb-defector-reveals-russian-game-plan-against-us/

 

Edited April 7, 2022 by Batsto

[not on the rug]

19 minutes ago, OldMenRule said:

I can never recall being taught at home or elsewhere that when things go awry I simply need to pray and wait. Quite the opposite is the phrase God helps those who help themselves. As to introspection, that is one of the basics of Christianity. Jesus went to the desert to pray and to look into himself and God for the strength to tolerate what was to come.     

I wish I knew more folks who thought and behaved the way you do about their faith.

[JFC1]

1 hour ago, allmann said:

The fact that we are dropping lower each year on the education scale, compared to other countries shows that the influence of peoples opinions on sex or race or any other outside influence shows the system has already been corrupted.  

That's been the case for decades. It's not because the US went "woke." It's because we devalue education and turn it into an underfunded pinata while valuing conspicuous consumption, hustling, and denigration of science and history in favor of tough guy posturing that whitewashes or ignores the both.

Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Holland are some of the most liberal societies on earth. They also have some of the highest educational levels. And if you read Frankenstein, Romeo and Juliet or Columbus' diaries in exploring the New World you'll see that gender and sexuality are a central part of any system of knowledge, even natural science and geography.

But there IS a reason that anyone who can from other countries sends their kids to American universities...It's not always for the sex and drugs. 

 

[MGHunter66]

1 hour ago, OldMenRule said:

The problem is that the public school system and it's many, many educators and administrators feel they are no longer answerable to the communities that employ them. This is on display daily and is yet another example of progressives and their intolerance. 

Yes that is being “woke”.

.Woke is a sheild used by disingenuous people to force evil things upon others under the guise of being virtuous ”

[JFC1]

47 minutes ago, MGHunter66 said:

Yes that is being “woke”.

.Woke is a sheild used by disingenuous people to force evil things upon others under the guise of being virtuous ”

Exactly. Woke is a word, and a state of mind, that some liberals use to champion their supposed virtuousness that's often just racism in different clothes, or holier than thou feel-goodism. But the really strange thing is that almost all the liberals, socialists, and racial justice warriors I know use it precisely as MGHunter does.  As in negatively. Yet many on the Right imagine that the Left unites around it, and all it stands for. This is why we shouldn't take Josh Hawley's or Ted Cruz' word on what a word means, and does.  Both Left and Right grab hold of "woke" to try to manipulate us all, although they do so in very different ways. 

 

[MPSR]

This makes me sick.. Having a 10 and a 13 year old in a top school system and this is what's important, meanwhile they don't teach kids how to wright anymore..? 

[not on the rug]

1 hour ago, JFC1 said:

Exactly. Woke is a word, and a state of mind, that some liberals use to champion their supposed virtuousness that's often just racism in different clothes, or holier than thou feel-goodism. But the really strange thing is that almost all the liberals, socialists, and racial justice warriors I know use it precisely as MGHunter does.  As in negatively. Yet many on the Right imagine that the Left unites around it, and all it stands for. This is why we shouldn't take Josh Hawley's or Ted Cruz' word on what a word means, and does.  Both Left and Right grab hold of "woke" to try to manipulate us all, although they do so in very different ways. 

 

I think you downplay how many liberals use the term as a badge of honor.  I know quite a few of them that absolutely pride themselves as being as progressive and woke as possible.  I had one tell me Tuesday that the term "warrior" was racist.  I tried to explain that warriors were revered in almost every culture that I could imagine and that the term wasn't associated with negativity or associated with any 1 race of people.  She didn't want to hear it.  She wears a "woke" pin on one lapel of her jacket and a pin of her pronouns on the other.  She and her friends all think alike.  Believe me, this is a very real mindset amongst young liberals and Karens of all ages

Edited April 7, 2022 by not on the rug

[Roon]

Wait till the news drops about the first "female" inmate getting a female inmate pregnant while being incarcerated lol

[JFC1]

2 minutes ago, not on the rug said:

I think you downplay how many liberals use the term as a badge of honor.  I know quite a few of them that absolutely pride themselves as being as progressive and woke as possible.  I had one tell me Tuesday that the term "warrior" was racist.  I tried to explain that warriors were revered in almost every culture that I could imagine and that the term wasn't associated with negativity or associated with any 1 race of people.  She didn't want to hear it.  She wears a "woke" pin on one lapel of her jacket and a pin of her pronouns on the other.  She and her friends all think alike.  Believe me, this is a very real mindset amongst young liberals and Karens of all ages

I don't downplay anything. I describe what I see, and think. 

Before you defended "warriors" on Tuesday, did you ask how in god's name that person justified calling "warriors" racist?  Ask  that person to listen to Peter Tosh's or Bob Marley's lyrics. Or Martin Luther King's speeches. 

This morning I read your description of your being between a rock and a hard place with your religious neighbors, and I shuddered.  I'm glad I don't have to deal with those people you do, if the situation is really as you describe it. And as is the case with Haskellhunter's very different experience with religious families, I just don't come into contact with those people who wear terms on their lapels or try to live literally by the Bible (impossible) and impose their faith on me. It's actually the opposite, especially with the religious families. But  I'm not sure I could take seriously someone with a "woke" button on one lapel and their pronouns on the other.

Even though I spend all day at work with people who say they align with the Left, most reject--and even mock/criticize--labels like "woke" and even "progressive." They're pretty meaningless except to milquetoasts like your Tuesday lapel-maven who think "woke" makes them radicals and the Ted Cruz liar-types who think they can energize their base by using "woke" as a convenient handle onto which to pillory a whole bunch of people and positions in order to improve their poll numbers. 

Simply out of curiosity, can I ask you where you live/encounter these people? Not trying to pry, and please ignore if you don't want to go there on a public forum.