B B Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, maximus66 said: Have you ever seen the way Carlos Hathcock had his rifle set up? Just mentioning his name in this thread is sacrilegious. 1957Buck and Nomad 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGHunter66 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just mentioning his name in this thread is sacrilegious. Just making a point that many do not realize. In no way am comparing Hathcock to this guy. At all times you should strive to have your scope bell as close to your barrel, with that being said one of the best rifle shooters i have ever seen is a hick from PA in Huntington County. He shot a 30-06 Remington Pump with see through mounts on his scope insistent that he used open sights on drives. I watched him sitting on a turkey chair leaned against a tree just using his knee and thigh as a rest dust clay birds at 200yrds. Enough for me not to question his high scope because i know i cant do that at 200yrds with the consistency he did. I guess i tend to be more humble than you fellasSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1957Buck 1 AWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard1100 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 That thing is heinous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haskell_Hunter Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The challenge with high mounts are adjusting the scope and if it has enough MOA to move the reticle. You can push the MOA to the edge of the range, and on a cheap scope you're going to get some weird optics. So I have no problem with the mounts being where you put them, but do you know how far you need to move the reticle based on those mounts? I put a Picatinny rail on my .30-06 that added 20MOA to the hight of the scope. I had to do that to accommodate for the size of the bell. The scope had 42 MOA of range to move the reticle, so I had to drastically dial it down before I got on paper. I may remount the scope or get another one with a larger range of MOA. Sucks because it's a Leupold that I dropped about $1K on. Scopes are an expensive habit. Sapere aude. Audeamus. When you cannot measure, your knowledge is meager and unsatisfactory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallew Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Ok, I’ll bite. 1957, what is the intended purpose of this rifle? What was the reasoning behind setting it up. Lunatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MGHunter66 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 The challenge with high mounts are adjusting the scope and if it has enough MOA to move the reticle. You can push the MOA to the edge of the range, and on a cheap scope you're going to get some weird optics. So I have no problem with the mounts being where you put them, but do you know how far you need to move the reticle based on those mounts? I put a Picatinny rail on my .30-06 that added 20MOA to the hight of the scope. I had to do that to accommodate for the size of the bell. The scope had 42 MOA of range to move the reticle, so I had to drastically dial it down before I got on paper. I may remount the scope or get another one with a larger range of MOA. Sucks because it's a Leupold that I dropped about $1K on. Scopes are an expensive habit. Interesting analogy Haskell but at the same time somewhat confusing. You say you had to add picatinny rail to heighten the scope due to the size of the scopes bell and thus the scope itself did not have enough adjustment because of this height requirement. If that was the case how much higher was the bell in relation to the barrel and how could it run out of range since the large bells center/crosshair remains a constant in relation to the size of the bell. Am i missing something here?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk AWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Wallew said: Ok, I’ll bite. 1957, what is the intended purpose of this rifle? What was the reasoning behind setting it up. Lunatic, MGHunter66 and Mallard1100 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haskell_Hunter Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 35 minutes ago, maximus66 said: Interesting analogy Haskell but at the same time somewhat confusing. You say you had to add picatinny rail to heighten the scope due to the size of the scopes bell and thus the scope itself did not have enough adjustment because of this height requirement. If that was the case how much higher was the bell in relation to the barrel and how could it run out of range since the large bells center/crosshair remains a constant in relation to the size of the bell. Am i missing something here? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Here's a photo of the scope, mounting and gun: The scope is mounted on a Rem 700 XCR II .30-06. It's a Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x50mm 30mm Matte Rifle Scope Illum. Boone & Crockett Reticle. So the bell is pretty big. I can't remember, but I think the factory taps were further apart than the length of the scope, so I had to add the rail, which added the 20MOA to the overall mounting. The scope, like any other scope, ships with the reticle in the center. It has a range of 42 MOA, which means it can move 21 MOA up or down from the center. Since my rail adds 20MOA, I have to move the reticle to compensate for that. I was surprised that this particular model scope had such a limited range of MOA adjustment to the retcile. Most 50mm belled scopes have something like 60-80MOA in reticle motion. I figured that since the scope is a decent mid-range priced Leupold, it should look good if I push the reticle adjustment to the edges of its range. I hope I explained that properly. Sapere aude. Audeamus. When you cannot measure, your knowledge is meager and unsatisfactory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ3a Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Haskell does that mount have 20MOA inclination? I spent most of my money on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGHunter66 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Here's a photo of the scope, mounting and gun: The scope is mounted on a Rem 700 XCR II .30-06. It's a Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x50mm 30mm Matte Rifle Scope Illum. Boone & Crockett Reticle. So the bell is pretty big. I can't remember, but I think the factory taps were further apart than the length of the scope, so I had to add the rail, which added the 20MOA to the overall mounting. The scope, like any other scope, ships with the reticle in the center. It has a range of 42 MOA, which means it can move 21 MOA up or down from the center. Since my rail adds 20MOA, I have to move the reticle to compensate for that. I was surprised that this particular model scope had such a limited range of MOA adjustment to the retcile. Most 50mm belled scopes have something like 60-80MOA in reticle motion. I figured that since the scope is a decent mid-range priced Leupold, it should look good if I push the reticle adjustment to the edges of its range. I hope I explained that properly. You explained it perfectly and i see there is quite a gap between the bell and barrel. That rail seems to have extended to far forward of the receiver. I myself would modify it which should allow for one size lower rings. Just my .02Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Haskell_Hunter 1 AWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCsaw Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Get a 0moa rail. The 20moa rail pulls your cheek off of the stock, too. You should be able to get a 100yd. zero with the 20moa rail. Well, I got that zero on my 1" setup. Wanna trade scopes/rings? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haskell_Hunter Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 9 hours ago, BCsaw said: Get a 0moa rail. The 20moa rail pulls your cheek off of the stock, too. You should be able to get a 100yd. zero with the 20moa rail. Well, I got that zero on my 1" setup. Wanna trade scopes/rings? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Trade, no. But I’ll go to Cherry Ridge with you anytime to shoot and compare rigs. Nothing better than going to the range with another experienced shooter to compare notes. Shootemandmountem and Shortfuse 1 1 Sapere aude. Audeamus. When you cannot measure, your knowledge is meager and unsatisfactory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1957Buck Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Haskell_Hunter said: I’ll go to Cherry Ridge with you anytime to shoot and compare rigs. Nothing better than going to the range with another experienced shooter to compare notes. Same offer here but Range 14 Dix. Thanks to members with constructive criticism. and to others who rather act ignorant. And have never done anything on their own. If it does not work out I have other rings and Mounts time and money to try nothing is set. To the ones who want scopes on Shotguns- Crossbows experimenting with Chokes. Can't use a Black Powder Rife as Intended. Can't Hunt without artificial means. Can't even make decisions on Socks - Boots- Bikes - on and on. yet you can make comments on someone doing something you most likely are incapable of. WOW did I just push someone's Button? Dam did I also sound like the Herd. Like I was told got nothing good to add Stay out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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