2nd coyote incident in Randolph

[jumpthestring]

The State got no money, that  is why they rely on us to report these when we see  a yote, bobcat , etc.

[Lunatic]

3 hours ago, Foggy Mountain said:

Idk bud. Lots of the state guys hunt and fish. They actually can’t help but know how many are out there. Also it’d be whoever is in charge of this to know not count on us reporting. Im not saying we shouldn’t report and you are prob correct about all of what you’ve said but  this not knowing actual estimates is ridiculous. 
They  don’t count deer, turkey, it’s part of last year harvest info, bobcat are all over, coyotes, yet they’re relying on our reports? I mean we aren’t specialists in wildlife management, isn’t someone that is supposed to be using more than one method? Especially  one as inconsistent or unreliable as volunteer reporting to rely on? Look at all the lopsided numbers. Someone is failing. 

I have no idea how they would go about counting coyotes, especially in the state like NJ with 100s if not thousands of micro environments.
However relying on harvest data for population estimate of NJ coyotes is not a good idea. For some reason they are very hard to kill even in areas loaded with them. I don't even think extending the hunting season would make any difference because even when we try to kill them we are not very successful.

[Gobblengrunt]

37 minutes ago, Lunatic said:

I have no idea how they would go about counting coyotes, especially in the state like NJ with 100s if not thousands of micro environments.
However relying on harvest data for population estimate of NJ coyotes is not a good idea. For some reason they are very hard to kill even in areas loaded with them. I don't even think extending the hunting season would make any difference because even when we try to kill them we are not very successful.

If they had a year long season, coyotes are definitely easier to call in and kill in the spring/summer due to pups and parents with feeding needs for same.  As you know, they are extremely smart and learn immediately from one persons bad setup or calling experience.  Ive killed quite a fee coyotes over the years in NJ but never have killed a second dog from a previous calling setup.

[Lunatic]

3 minutes ago, Gobblengrunt said:

If they had a year long season, coyotes are definitely easier to call in and kill in the spring/summer due to pups and parents with feeding needs for same.  As you know, they are extremely smart and learn immediately from one persons bad setup or calling experience.  Ive killed quite a fee coyotes over the years in NJ but never have killed a second dog from a previous calling setup.

I am at it for 4 years on a farm just loaded with them. So far no luck calling them in. 

[Eyesofthewoods]

I live in Roxbury but Randolph and Chester both start about 100 yds behind my house.  Always coyote.   Lots of bear there’s a 200 and a 400 running around see em every few weeks.  They could care less about us humans.  

[Bucksnbows]

The Eastern coyote is not an easy animal to control as far as numbers. A state like NJ will never see a bounty system. Never. The most effective eradication method is poisoned baits, but that is also never happening.  Shoot them if and when you can, but they are very wary as many here know. I came close to shooting one two falls back, but she came in on the wrong side and I got busted. 

[RPK0620]

I can't find the article written in our local paper, which was just recycled,  written by a Rutgers University professor  regarding how we can cohabitate with the coyote if we just understand its behavior.

Unfortunately this highly educated individual doesn't realize that the coyote doesn't know this !

Here is basically what was said inn the article that I found online:

New Brunswick, N.J. (March 2, 2021) – Rutgers University–New Brunswick wildlife experts Kathleen Kerwinand Chris Crosby are available for interviews on coyote ecology and behavior, how and when coyotes got to New Jersey and how to avoid human-coyote conflict.

“The eastern coyote, which arrived in New Jersey about 80 years ago, is now an established species and can be found in a variety of habitats across the state, including urban and suburban neighborhoods,” said Kerwin, program associate in the Wildlife Conservation and Management Program in Rutgers’ New Jersey Agricultural Experiment Station. “Contrary to common misconceptions about these animals, coyotes are naturally wary of people and rarely act aggressively or cause any property damage. Understanding coyote ecology and behavior can help reduce negative human-coyote interactions.”

[JimmyScags]

I hear them all the time in the county park I hunt there. Had 2 stalk me on the way out of the woods a few years ago.

[Lunatic]

2 hours ago, Foggy Mountain said:

I agree with that, just seems though  there should be some other way to get accurate estimates. They do songbird or pheasant audible counts, for deer they did years back thermal imaging, Rutgers I think is doing it now with drones. That sounds pretty promising, why not the state?.  They could do coyotes that way as well. . When you get hip certified, they ask a bunch of questions, if buying your license there was a simple question or two, how many gays a year you were in woods? How many coyotes do you see.That’s not gonna be a big hinderance. 

Maybe mating season doing coyotes vocalization counts. Like I said I’m not a wildlife manager, easy to point fingers when it’s not us but it seems there has to be a way. At least try one imo 

It might not be perfect but something is better than nothing 
 

I just think with NJ the way it is, chopped up to small and extremely diverse environments, in most cases separated by only few miles or even yards, accurate statistical compilation could never give you an accurate picture.