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#21 Male OFFLINE   Bowhunter92

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Posted 08/09/17 - 11:55 AM

I'd love to see that setup!  Always keen to learn something new.
 
However, I will disagree, but won't become argumentative, that there are too many variables with the shot placement and the deer to consistently break bone.  I will agree that you can probably get a high probability to break it, but not consistently.
 
But as I mentioned, I'm willing to take a look at the setup and learn something new in the process.


Exactly. Shot placement is everything. I'm just look for any and every advantage I can get ;)
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#22 Male OFFLINE   JHbowhunter

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Posted 08/09/17 - 01:19 PM

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Interesting way to approach it.  I don't disagree at all.  I've just always had a different mindset when approaching bow hunting, and it comes directly from my experiences with archery.  Shot placement is everything.  Just another way of looking at it--neither right nor wrong.

 

I always have in my head, "If you can make it, take it."  Otherwise, I won't shoot.  Passed on a few deer because of it.

 

Again, not disagreeing with you, just sharing a different way of looking at it.

I will always put shot selection first - just saying I prefer to be in tighter to the crease whereas some still aim for vitals a bit closer to gut..

 

Green dot and watch them drop!


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#23 Male ONLINE   not on the rug

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Posted 08/09/17 - 01:36 PM

I typically aim just to the left edge of that dot on a broadside shot.  basically even with the back of the front leg, and 1/3 of the way up the body.  seems to do the trick and drop them within 40 -50 yards.  I have to say though, I've only had a handful of broadside shots over the years, and only a couple of those were from a ground blind.  Most of mine are quartering away and from an elevated position (tree stand) which changes things a bit...


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Posted 08/09/17 - 01:50 PM

Nothing wrong with a heavier arrow for many reasons.  Although most tend to agree "Shot selection/placement" are paramount and #1 factor, many choose their setup based on some margin for error. Some prefer big expandables in case of gut hit, the theory being wider cut may kill the non-lung, non-heart, non-artery, non-liver hit faster and lend better chance to recovery.   

 

I prefer to aim in a little tighter to the crease and err on side of "bone".   This shot I never get tired of posting, because with my lighter arrows and dare a say an expandable like a rage, it's just not happening..

 

My 125gr VPA on the 470 total weight shaft severed the spinal chord, blew though all that bone, skewered the heart and was only stopped by ground.

I had something similar happen last year on a big doe early in the season. Shot placement was NOT "on" as things changed quick and at the last split second....

 

My wasp drone tipped black eagle rampage blew completely through the spine. At first while walking up, I thought it was just lodged inside. Well it wasnt. I found the front half of the arrow in the ground after the green started dying off about a month later. I was very impressed to say the least! Thats only 420 grains going about 270fps. Im not betting on that happening again by any means but confidence in my new setup was improved tenfold immediately.

 

 

 

 

Ive learned to believe that accuracy along with momentum are key in sending an arrow down range at a live target. I dont care much about the energy the arrow will have at impact. Because sometimes going lighter can increase KE but you will lose momentum. I want to know if I have enough momentum to blast through the tissue, bone or whatever upon impact of my target. Momentum imo is a bigger factor in penetration. 


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#25 Male OFFLINE   Livesintrees

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Posted 08/09/17 - 10:47 PM

Heavy arrows are the way to go. Just know your distances.
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#26 Male OFFLINE   Rusty

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Posted 08/12/17 - 05:30 AM

I've always preferred a heavy arrow with a heavy head and a good FOC.  I don't care about speed.  



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Posted 08/12/17 - 05:42 AM

 Shot placement is everything.  

 

As many have said, this is 100% correct.  I will only shoot at a deer that is broadside to quartering away.  I don't want any chance of catching shoulder.

 

And I agree with Jack's shot placement, green dot all the way.   :up:



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Posted 08/12/17 - 05:51 AM



This is what I am really trying to emulate.

 

That's a great video Bowhunter.  I didn't realize FOC affected penetration that significantly.   :up:






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