Concealed Carry

[Bucksnbows]

3 hours ago, FeniQuest217 said:

please reach out to you representatives - THIS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT IF NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR CCW RIGHT NOW

HR 1808 - ban on semi auto rifles AND SOME PISTOLS (yes youre AR-15)

HR 2814 - Bill that allows gun manufacturers to be held liable if a criminal uses their gun in a crime.

CALL - EMAIL - TEXT- DM

Pelosi pulled 1808 today due to a lack of votes. Small victory for our side. 

[GoldRushGang]

4 hours ago, vdep217 said:

Agreed.  But realize it won't effect us in nj as we already have the ban at least the way I read the bill I could be wrong

In NJ the AG can file an action against manufacturers and dealers. 

That will surely make some if not all online sellers stop shipping certain items to NJ

 

[Haskell_Hunter]

16 hours ago, GoldRushGang said:

In NJ the AG can file an action against manufacturers and dealers. 

That will surely make some if not all online sellers stop shipping certain items to NJ

 

No, the AG can't do that.  Interstate commerce is governed by Federal law, not state laws.  Doesn't mean they won't make it difficult, but they are walking a thin constitutional line.

[GoldRushGang]

16 minutes ago, Haskell_Hunter said:

No, the AG can't do that.  Interstate commerce is governed by Federal law, not state laws.  Doesn't mean they won't make it difficult, but they are walking a thin constitutional line.

https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2022/A1765

[Haskell_Hunter]

Just now, GoldRushGang said:

https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2022/A1765

Doesn't mean it will stand under constitutional scrutiny.  Dems pass lots of laws that collapse when challenged.

[GoldRushGang]

11 minutes ago, Haskell_Hunter said:

Doesn't mean it will stand under constitutional scrutiny.  Dems pass lots of laws that collapse when challenged.

Yea maybe after someone spends tens to hundreds of thousands to fight it. Until then it's the law. 

It's a public nuisance violation that says...

requiring gun industry members to establish and implement reasonable procedures, safeguards, and business practices for the sale, manufacture, distribution, importing, and marketing of gun-related products

[Haskell_Hunter]

2 minutes ago, GoldRushGang said:

Yea maybe after someone spends tens to hundreds of thousands to fight it. Until then it's the law. 

It's a public nuisance violation that says...

requiring gun industry members to establish and implement reasonable procedures, safeguards, and business practices for the sale, manufacture, distribution, importing, and marketing of gun-related products

That will fail under scrutiny.  "Reasonable procedures" is intentionally ambiguous so it can encompass whatever the judge feels like it should mean at the time.  This is exactly what the SCOTUS addressed in this season's rulings.  "Reasonable procedures" is not a definable legal threshold.  Therefore, no one can actually meet the standard of this law since none is defined, and the only way to know if you are in compliance with the law or not is to go to court.  And that is not how law is supposed to work.  It's intentionally designed to be a trap.

It will definitely cost tens of thousands of dollars to beat this, I know that personally.

[DJ0808]

I agree it will get challenged (expensively), and will probably fail under scrutiny for the reasons @Haskell_Hunter stated.

However, IMO just passing this and getting it challenged is a win-win situation for anti-gun Dems. If it stands up to challenge they win, if it collapses under scrutiny they win because they'll use it as a sounding board to say SCOTUS is wrong and there should be term limits, pack the court, blah...blah...blah... 

Gives them nice sound bites for election campaigns.

What we need in NJ is to elect sensible legislators that support the 2A, and get them to pass laws that protect, not infringe on our constitutional rights.

[username]

On 7/27/2022 at 10:12 AM, vdep217 said:

My qual was 90 not the 150 plus some are charging

Where did you qualify?

[vdep217]

8 minutes ago, username said:

Where did you qualify?

Shooters

[Jcol6268]

1) they cannot deny you for the process changing. There are specific reasons for you to be denied, and none of them are we changed the process. 
 

2) that’s a misconception that you will be denied if you have ever been denied before. Yes, there is a chance, you will be denied. However, for example. There are people who have been denied, because they did not prove their justifiable cause in the past. That does not mean they will be automatically denied now. Now, if you find they have some criminal history or something else they can be denied for, then sure, they can and will be denied again. 

[FeniQuest217]

On 7/27/2022 at 5:58 PM, Bucksnbows said:

Pelosi pulled 1808 today due to a lack of votes. Small victory for our side. 

They just passed it in the house 

[DJ0808]

2 minutes ago, FeniQuest217 said:

They just passed it in the house 

Saw they split out the assault weapons ban from the police funding that was in the original package, and got this thru on a very narrow vote 217 - 213 with 5 Dems against and 2 Repubs for it.  

More than likely it will die in the Senate since they would need all 50 Dems plus 10 Repubs to pass it, not to mention it would likely get successfully challenged in courts based on Heller and Bruen decisions from SCOTUS.

Still though it should be a wakeup call for people put their legislators to task for protecting our constitutional rights.

[vdep217]

Maybe I read it wrong but the way I read it was it would be pretty much be the same ban nj already has. It's feel good bs and will be ruled unconstitutional and hopefully njs Is as well

[Jcol6268]

12 minutes ago, vdep217 said:

Maybe I read it wrong but the way I read it was it would be pretty much be the same ban nj already has. It's feel good bs and will be ruled unconstitutional and hopefully njs Is as well

Well you would no longer be able to buy AR-15s. So that would be different. The “large capacity” ammunition feeding device would be the same as NJ.