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#41 Male OFFLINE   Oneday121o

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Posted 04/20/17 - 07:41 PM

Seriously?

yea I've got a few bucks mounted that were found too late already. No different...if the price is worth it.

#42 OFFLINE   Bucndoe

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Posted 04/20/17 - 08:29 PM

That's deer is in Florida - perhaps different state laws. I believe the "cannot sell deer parts" is a NJ state law that Jay is talking about.


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Posted 04/20/17 - 08:32 PM

I think law says "back hide"..
"capes are illigal to sell I think-unless tanned, in which then are considered a product, but I'm not 100% sure.
This deer has PA tags, I think sale of antlers are legal in PA. . (Again, I'm not 100%) but if the transaction is made in NJ it's illigal according to NJ law.
It's a bunch of cap imo. Taxidermist should be allowed to purchase a "sellers permit" of sorts to recoup some of their losses.
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NJ 23:4-27.c
Absolutely 100 percent legal to sell raw or processed hide. If you are a Taxidermist, you should have that title and law printed out and handy as a reference to you in your shop. If it's your business, you should "KNOW" not "THINK". Especially if it would be your azz on the hook

Edited by Bucndoe, 04/20/17 - 08:35 PM.


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Posted 04/20/17 - 08:36 PM

Many other states allow the sale of antlers.. but in NJ you can not buy or sell deer antlers. In NJ you can not sell anything indigenous to NJ except fur bearers other than bears.
Illegal to sell in nj:
Turkey
Bear
Deer (other than back hide, or lower legs)
COUNTRYWIDE: migratory birds unless proof of farm raised
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Incorrect. Read NJ 23:4-27 and 23:4-28

Edited by Bucndoe, 04/20/17 - 08:39 PM.


#45 Male OFFLINE   JerseyJaysTaxidermy

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Posted 04/20/17 - 08:47 PM

Would consider it for a cheaper price lol, my taxidermist does shoulder mounts for cheaper than that and good one too lol!!! Capes are provided free by most taxidermist.

Capes are free if available. .. sometimes they are not available, then purchasing one for $100-300 (pending size ) is often common.
As for your taxidermist doing mounts for cheaper, there might be a reason for that...
Maybe he gets health insurance cheap through his wife's job
Maybe he tans his own hides
Maybe he doesn't insure his ups packages when shipping to a tannery
Maybe he uses cheaper eyes
Maybe he uses caulk as glue instead of hide paste
Maybe he uses bondo in the ears instead of plastic earlier
Maybe he buys cheap inacureate forms
Maybe he works for cash and hides his income
Maybe he doesn't have business insurance
Maybe his property taxes are low so he needs less income each year than me
There are a lot of variables that will change price from 1 guy to the next. There are a lot of corners to cut that you can not see in photos.
There are a lot of guys who just plain don't know how to price a job
There are guys who just want to get high numbers and will lower their price to undercut the competition

Too many variables that no one but he knows. None of my business. I don't know him.

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#46 Male OFFLINE   JerseyJaysTaxidermy

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Posted 04/20/17 - 08:56 PM

Incorrect. Read NJ 23:4-27 and 23:4-28

I just read it.. seems to be correct to what I said.. what do you find incorrect?

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Posted 04/20/17 - 09:04 PM

NJ 23:4-27.c
Absolutely 100 percent legal to sell raw or processed hide. If you are a Taxidermist, you should have that title and law printed out and handy as a reference to you in your shop. If it's your business, you should "KNOW" not "THINK". Especially if it would be your azz on the hook

According to my tannery, a hide does not include the head.. that's why I assumed illigal to sell a cape.
I know rgs got nabbed years ago for selling capes, and it cost him a boatload to fight.. he won.. but at what cost Screenshot_2017-04-20-22-01-56.png
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Posted 04/20/17 - 09:08 PM

People suck , perhaps you might consider a pay 2/3 the price and your mount gets done in under 6 months , like a express line & when your ready to start ordering material for the other mounts that did not pay the additional up front you ask them to pay an additional costs towards the bill to defray costs . 1/3 , 1/3 & 1/3 on completion. I know this might sound petty but I hate to see business owners get burned . Like Three Blade said if they don't like it you don't need them as a customer . Good Luck
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#49 OFFLINE   Bucndoe

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Posted 04/20/17 - 09:19 PM

I just read it.. seems to be correct to what I said.. what do you find incorrect?

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You are also allowed to sell deer tails along with Cottontail rabbits, Belgian Hares, and jack rabbits legally harvested in another state and brought into NJ. 



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Posted 04/20/17 - 09:25 PM

Until it comes time to fight itnjn court and you lose everything you ever worked for paying lawyer fees to fight for your rights... dangerous loophole to make a louse few hundred dollars.

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No loophole. It's illegal also. NJ 23:4-27.g



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Posted 04/20/17 - 09:39 PM

I love when taxidermist post these topics .. Some clueless ppl think it's a get rich over night job that anybody can do.
I have nothing but respect for my guy. I owe him 65 for a grey fox skull and am trying to figure when I can drive down to pay him.

#52 Male OFFLINE   JerseyJaysTaxidermy

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Posted 04/20/17 - 09:56 PM

People suck , perhaps you might consider a pay 2/3 the price and your mount gets done in under 6 months , like a express line & when your ready to start ordering material for the other mounts that did not pay the additional up front you ask them to pay an additional costs towards the bill to defray costs . 1/3 , 1/3 & 1/3 on completion. I know this might sound petty but I hate to see business owners get burned . Like Three Blade said if they don't like it you don't need them as a customer . Good Luck

All sounds great except it's time consuming enough to chase 200 customers a year for pickup.. imagine the chaos if I had to track them down 3x a year for payments along the way... more time than its worth.

I'm going to accept credit cards next season-proces will go up to cover the 3%

I wonder if it's legal to keep their credit card numbers and have them sign a preapproval contract, so if they don't pick up the head in 60 days, I have the right to run their card and add on $100-$150 for crate build+ shipping and just run the charge and ship the mount to them.. would be nice if legal..

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Edited by JerseyJaysTaxidermy, 04/20/17 - 09:59 PM.


#53 Male OFFLINE   Oneday121o

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Posted 04/20/17 - 11:18 PM

You can sell capes, I don't see any issue with this. People do it all the time.

#54 Male OFFLINE   Oneday121o

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Posted 04/20/17 - 11:23 PM

Any luck? It is actually a nice cape on there...i like the darker color and white patch on the chest.

Edited by Oneday121o, 04/20/17 - 11:25 PM.


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Posted 04/21/17 - 04:49 AM

Reading through these posts, I can honestly say that I feel Jay's pain. It wasn't all that different being a butcher...in the heat of the moment, guys were excited to drop off their deer, have the whole thing made into jerky and keilbasi or hot dogs, then when it was time to fork over the $75, nowhere to be found... I probably heard every hard luck story invented by man over the 20 years I was a processor. Nobody had any clue how much labor was involved, or what it cost for supplies, to pay helpers, or run 3 freezers and a walk-in cooler for 5 months a year, all of this came out of my pocket whether they paid me or not. I also didn't want to get involved with deposits, I tried that for a while, and the usual answer was, "I'm a little short on cash this week, but I'm good for it", or "Do you take Visa?".  And that's only part of the headache involved, there was the customer service aspect, and dealing with that drama... :shakehead:

 

Sorry for hijacking the thread Jay.


Edited by Stan Putz, 04/21/17 - 05:25 AM.

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Posted 04/21/17 - 06:57 AM

 I will give the original rack back to my deadbeat client

 

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Posted 04/21/17 - 07:35 AM

What he is doing is LEAGAL in NJ, you can sell the hide and feet of a deer but no other parts. He is only getting paid for his time and materials plus labor to convert a mount to yours.


Edited by tuny, 04/21/17 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 04/21/17 - 07:42 AM

All sounds great except it's time consuming enough to chase 200 customers a year for pickup.. imagine the chaos if I had to track them down 3x a year for payments along the way... more time than its worth.

I'm going to accept credit cards next season-proces will go up to cover the 3%

I wonder if it's legal to keep their credit card numbers and have them sign a preapproval contract, so if they don't pick up the head in 60 days, I have the right to run their card and add on $100-$150 for crate build+ shipping and just run the charge and ship the mount to them.. would be nice if legal..

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Credit Cards are not the answer and can end your business.  They are no guarantee for payment.  Take a DAY and read all the fine print attached to the agreement. for the seller.   Example--- I pay you with Master Card after receiving the product and I am not satisfied  I call Master Card and put the charge in Dispute. payment is stopped along with your account is frozen. Are you big enough to Handle what follows, It is all up to you to show proof of Purchase, Satisfaction not the Buyer.  

AS far as keeping the card on record that ain't going to happen.  Even Amazon is held to that standard and has an A to Z guarantee for disputes. The buyer has the Power.   

Answer very simple A deposit is required covering whatever you feel is fair. If a customer has a problem let them go to another business.  

Your work and quality of work is what keeps you in business. NOT GOOD WILL. The customer is just that not Family.  



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Posted 04/21/17 - 08:28 AM

It's just to bad that some people as scumbags. As a man all we have is our integrity and our words.
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Posted 04/21/17 - 08:57 AM

Capes are free if available. .. sometimes they are not available, then purchasing one for $100-300 (pending size ) is often common.
As for your taxidermist doing mounts for cheaper, there might be a reason for that...
Maybe he gets health insurance cheap through his wife's job
Maybe he tans his own hides
Maybe he doesn't insure his ups packages when shipping to a tannery
Maybe he uses cheaper eyes
Maybe he uses caulk as glue instead of hide paste
Maybe he uses bondo in the ears instead of plastic earlier
Maybe he buys cheap inacureate forms
Maybe he works for cash and hides his income
Maybe he doesn't have business insurance
Maybe his property taxes are low so he needs less income each year than me
There are a lot of variables that will change price from 1 guy to the next. There are a lot of corners to cut that you can not see in photos.
There are a lot of guys who just plain don't know how to price a job
There are guys who just want to get high numbers and will lower their price to undercut the competition

Too many variables that no one but he knows. None of my business. I don't know him.

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Yes but at the end to your consumers is about two things. Price and quality of work and many are willing to pay for quality.






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