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There is no doubt in my mind that this guy felt very wronged by a system that he once admired' date=' and there is a definite possibility that some of his accusations were true. [/quote']

 

Wronged by a system he admired?

if he truly admired the system he wouldn't have LIED during his field training inquiry. He wouldn't have waited 4 YEARS to write a "manifesto". The way IAB is set up EVERYTHING and I MEAN EVERYTHING a cop does is under a microscope. These unfounded allegations were the rantings of a madman.

This dude was a nutjob who decided he was more important than those around him.

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I def was NOT taking his side' date=' nor condoning anything he did. nor giving ANY credibility to what he did.

just stating that it was pretty obvious he was ok with dying for his beliefs.

so in his mind those beliefs had to be pretty strong, to push someone to become so extreme

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Do you know who else is "ok" with dying for their beliefs?

Jihadists, Christians, Americans, ALL of us....Dying for your beliefs is one thing, he was a murderer.

 

His "belief" was that his life was more important than those around him. He believed the voices in his head. He was an egocentric narcissist in the truest sense of the word.

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Yeah Hammer! Everyone knows that in order to be a real cop you have to set people on fire.:popcorn:

 

Especially when the person "set on fire" has already shown an extreme propensity for violence by murdering 4 people and wounding what 2 others? and carjacking 2 others

being a real cop isn't always as pretty as you see on tv

the constitution is pretty cool is you ask me especially when it comes to apprehending known violent felons:up:

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Why not just send in a drone to blow the house up....

 

 

I'm a big supporter of our law enforcement BUT I heard earlier on Fox News...

 

That on seen law enforcement formulating a plan to set a fire and then willfully burnt someones house down to the ground in order to kill a suspect, that is about as UN-just and UN-American as I can imagine....

 

That's NOT the way we deal out justice in this country. IMO there seriously needs to be a full federal investigation of all agencies involved as this is a serious criminal human rights violation.

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Why not just send in a drone to blow the house up....

 

 

I'm a big supporter of our law enforcement BUT I heard earlier on Fox News...

 

That on seen law enforcement formulating a plan to set a fire and then willfully burnt someones house down to the ground in order to kill a suspect' date=' is about as UN-just and UN-American as I can imagine....

 

IMO There need to be a full federal investigation of all agencies involved as this is serious a criminal human rights violation

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And this is where personal feelings and YOUR COUNTRIES laws differ. Take a look at the laws governing deadly force concerning already known to be violent fleeing felons.

 

My guess is you would probably feel just a little different if it was your son or daughter that was murdered by this nut.... or you were maybe one of the cops exchanging gunfire with him.

 

The real investigation should be how he was permitted to leave the academy and get to the field training stage.

 

If your a real LEO supporter as you say then put yourself in the shoes of the leos on scene. Would you let him escape again? especially with knowledge that he will kill again?

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And this is where personal feelings and YOUR COUNTRIES laws differ. Take a look at the laws governing deadly force concerning already known to be violent fleeing felons.

 

My guess is you would probably feel just a little different if it was your son or daughter that was murdered by this nut.... or you were maybe one of the cops exchanging gunfire with him.

 

The real investigation should be how he was permitted to leave the academy and get to the field training stage.

 

If your a real LEO supporter as you say then put yourself in the shoes of the leos on scene. Would you let him escape again? especially with knowledge that he will kill again?

I see your emotions are doing your reasoning for you... give me a break.... this ain't some bad movie with a 50's style pitch fork mob... in America we don't burn down someones private home to kill a suspect.... and if you can't see the wrong in that decision, then perhaps one should wonder how someone like you made it out of the academy to.

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I dont condone what he did but there does seem to be a lot of shenanigans involved with this case. Fox news had a former fbi director on set and he stated the last thing the police will do is execute this guy because it then looks like they are trying to cover something up. Well what happened? This man is obviously cuckoo but as a spectator you must see that there are two sides to every story. Im sure underfire i would have reacted similarly to thwart the threat. Leos see this event in a different light because they are able to put themselves into a similar scenerio.

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your talking out of both sides of your mouth... give me a break.... this ain't some bad movie with a 50's style pitch fork mob... in America we don't burn down someones private home to kill a suspect.... and if you can't see the wrong in that decision' date=' then perhaps one should wonder how someone like you made it out of the academy to.

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I actually don't see the "wrong" it to apprehend a known to be violent murder. first rule of is to use deadly force.

Ask all these LEO's you claim to support what they would do.

For the record I type exactly as I talk. Straight forward.

 

Also if you really want to get technical the house was dismantled before being burned.

 

Trust this we all see just how much you support law enforcement and the laws their sworn to uphold in your very own writings. You expect leos to get popped while waiting for the bad guy to just give up after murdering 4 and shooting 2 others after being talked out.

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Leos see this event in a different light because they are able to put themselves into a similar scenerio.

 

And for those here that know me personally know that Im a been there done and still doing it person with the tract record to prove it.

This nut in cali would have killed and kept killing if he wasn't stopped by any means necessary.

 

What exactly do you believe needed to be "covered up" by leos out there?

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WOW..... Just WOW !

 

I've never seen a or known of any actual police officers acting like you on a internet form before.... Are you an actual active duty "Police Officer" ?

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I realize Palawman30 is pretty emotional over this topic, it's something he has a strong system of beliefs around this situation himself.

 

One thing I will agree with is that this guy basically took the route of a domestic terrorist, going after a selective group.

Had this been a guy involved in one of those mass shootings...would it had been any different if he were isolated and killed the same way?

 

Yes, they should give him the opportunity to surrender, but with a manifesto in hand that stated he would never do that and would kill anyone that stood in the way to make his point...then what option are they really left with without risking their own lives? There is no reasoning with a man that is that hell bent on destruction, he wasn't going to surrender, he wasn't going to come quietly...and while it's easy to say the police "had it out for him" given his manifesto and the verbal attacks on them, he really gave them no other choice. They were in a life and death fight from the moment it started, they were ALL identified as "high value targets".

 

I do agree he should have rights as a human being to a fair trial, but that is based on the premise of him not threatening violence and death upon all those that come to arrest him. Once you step over that line, you better expect the use of deadly force by any means necessary to help protect other people's (and their own) lives...even if it's burning the house down you're in. He brought that upon himself.

 

This is just my opinion of course...

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Those on here that simply side with this POS on his actions in anyway or may understand why he did what he did , your making him be a hero and victim. With that you insulted the true victims and all good LEOs but then your all experts in any/all subjects on here while never walking in the shoes of others.

 

Not only was his case herd within his department but he took it to regular court In 2011 & lost their also

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for the record I'm not siding with this POS by any means... we all know the most likely way this would end was with a bullet in him...BUT that being said, I'm sure in the months to come the whole burning down of the house to smoke him out or kill him will cost some one in command there career if not end in them facing charges themselves....

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Oh, I have NO doubt you'll see a multitude of investigations going on as a result of this situation...everything from what lead up to and caused it, to how it was handled until the end. I'd have to imagine of that is 100% under heavy review on a federal level given the exposure and magnitude of this case.

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WOW..... Just WOW !

 

I've never seen a or known of any actual police officers acting like you on a internet form before.... Are you an actual active duty "Police Officer" ?

 

Come to Philly and see just how active me or any of my fellow officers are for yourself. Your more than welcome to ride along. You ve never seen a cop or person utilize their first amendment rights? Or are you just used to saying whatever to whoever you want with no response?

Cops take an oath. The cops involved did exactly what they were supposed to do. You don't like it change the laws.

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Please keep it civil, no need for personal attacks. If you have something going on "over there", please keep it over there.

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PALawman,

 

You claim he wasn't a cop long enough to know how it works. He was hired in 2005, graduated police academy in 2006 and was in the process of being trained when he was called up to serve overseas in the Persian Gulf.

 

He served in the US Navy Res. for 7 years, reaching the rank of O-3 (Lieutenant). He commanded a security unit and had the second highest military clearance you can gain. He worked in MIUWU.

 

He was an upstanding citizen from everyones accounts.

 

You don't acheive these things if you're a "psycho". He must have known how some things worked. By the timeframe, he should have been nearing the end of his field training.

 

Did he go off the deep-end? Yes. He took the lives of people not directly involved with the incident that ruined his life. I'm not condoning his actions for one second. What he did was most reprehensible. He obviously became mentally ill. But I can't believe he started off that way. He was pushed to his breaking point and he snapped. It's tragic that lives were taken, including his.

 

But none of your argument against him can lead me to believe someone that valued his career in the LAPD and US NAVY as much as it appears he did, would put those careers at such great risk by fabricating a story about their FTO.

 

My guess, he told the absolute truth about everything the FTO did that day, which was corrobarated by the video testimony of the young man assaulted and the fathers story as well.

 

He tried to do what was right while still in a vulnerable position, as he was still in training. This had great consequences for him.

 

LAPD then made an example out of him, for being a whistleblower, which in turn also destroyed his career in the USNres. and eventually sent him off the deep end.

 

He was stabbed in the back by a system he believed was right all his life.

 

I see this in him by the sheer fact he did NOT harm the man he hijacked the truck from and the elderly man he tried to hijack the boat from. This to me says his deepest self couldn't bring harm to individuals not involved in the injustice he faced.

 

Now this is not to say that all Depts. are run this way, but just because no coverups happen in your dept, doesn't mean they don't happen elsewhere. Where it occurs though, try and find someone that would willingly go on record about the dirty little secrets. The issues root themselves too deep to be unearthed.

 

Other than praying for all those that lost loved ones in this tragic event, we can hope there is some purpose brought forth from all the chaos and destruction, maybe, just MAYBE.... corruption will be uncovered where he started digging.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*so you can check the facts:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Jordan_Dorner

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makosnax,

 

I don't even know what's "over there" anymore, I'm just trying to focus on what's "here" :)

I see/saw/deleted comments regarding "over there", that's how it came up.

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I realize Palawman30 is pretty emotional over this topic' date=' it's something he has a strong system of beliefs around this situation himself.

 

One thing I will agree with is that this guy basically took the route of a domestic terrorist, going after a selective group.

Had this been a guy involved in one of those mass shootings...would it had been any different if he were isolated and killed the same way?

 

Yes, they should give him the opportunity to surrender, but with a manifesto in hand that stated he would never do that and would kill anyone that stood in the way to make his point...then what option are they really left with without risking their own lives? There is no reasoning with a man that is that hell bent on destruction, he wasn't going to surrender, he wasn't going to come quietly...and while it's easy to say the police "had it out for him" given his manifesto and the verbal attacks on them, he really gave them no other choice. They were in a life and death fight from the moment it started, they were ALL identified as "high value targets".

 

I do agree he should have rights as a human being to a fair trial, but that is based on the premise of him not threatening violence and death upon all those that come to arrest him. Once you step over that line, you better expect the use of deadly:up: force by any means necessary to help protect other people's (and their own) lives...even if it's burning the house down you're in. He brought that upon himself.

 

This is just my opinion of course...

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Exactly :up:

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I'm sure this will be deleted to, but it's nice this so called cop can insult me and others at doesn't get deleted but if I sate the fact the his emotional over reactions are a disgrace THAT you delete.

 

I'm done anyway cause it's all pointless in the end.

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Paul report the thread that you see negative in and I'll clean it up. We can't keep tabs on everything that's ever written.

And I did delete things I found in some of his threads that were personal attacks and made a post to that effect.

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