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Come on Tommy' date='tell us what happened. Or have you been silenced?

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Tom booked an overnight Bass trip.. He fell asleep in his bunk and when he woke up there was a..... Nevermind, let him tell you after he talks with his therapist..

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Wasn't this the same boat that last year got busted taking over several hundred seabass over the limit as the capt and crew looked the other way?

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Wasn't this the same boat that last year got busted taking over several hundred seabass over the limit as the capt and crew looked the other way?

 

YIKES

 

Say it aint so!

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Just start reading the new post over there and yes it seems you can't voice your opinion again, Tom.

 

I have never fish with Tom at all, I have ask for advice him for advice on reloading etc.. I think Tom was putting up a post that explain his opinion on what he faced.. However , it does seem like once you due that on certain sites.. Especially against certain operations .. It's a quick red flag..

 

Good luck next week Tom .. Hope weather allows you go..

 

Joe

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Sorry for keeping all you guys in suspense lol. I had a reservation on a large, well-known headboat and showed up at the appointed time and didnt like what I was greeted with. In my opinion the boat seemed considerably overbooked relative to the limit stated on the boat's website. (an observation the Captain strongly denied) It was extremely challenging to even pass up the walkways given the number of coolers that were everywhere. I could only find one area that had two open rodholders, and that was next to the grimy, smelly bait station. The straw that broke the camel's back was when I went into the cabin and there were a bunch of people, including some crew members, smoking. I have an acute sensitivity to second hand smoke and my only alternative to breathing it would have been to remain in 15-20 degree weather for nineteen hours, something I wasnt willing to do. I quickly picked up all my gear and left the boat, making a post about my disappointing experience shortly thereafter.

 

Alot of people then chimed in on the post, recounting similar situations. A number of others came on and objected to my voicing grievances without having spoken to the captain. When the boat returned to port the following evening the captain proceeded to vociferously claim that I was nothing but a liar and that all my claims were false. I didnt appreciate him trying to discredit my by attacking me personally and things proceeded to get uglier and uglier.

 

Eventually, Gerry Z. pulled the initial thread and then allowed another to be started. He was in a difficult situation obviously and caught between a paying sponsor from whom he makes a lot of money that wanted the threads pulled and a lot of the general membership that objected to my silencing and was accusing him of censorship. During the two days the drama went on I had to empty out my PM mailbox twice, as it was filled from people sending me PMs and recounting horror stories they had experienced on the boat.

 

At the end of the day I am extremely pleased to not have sailed with them because I know I would have been miserable and there's a decent chance I would have lost some gear to thieves. I am much more appreciative now of the different caliber/class of the boats and operations we have to choose from here in this area. I have mixed feelings about whether or not I was unfair by airing my grievances on a public forum before giving management a heads up, though I think that feedback and word of mouth is really all that we, as consumers, have at our disposal to keep operators honest.

 

So that is it in a nutshell!

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Seems like you voiced your opinion and they didn't like it because it was negative..I know your not a liar Tom and anyone who knows you does as well

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Seems like you voiced your opinion and they didn't like it because it was negative..I know your not a liar Tom and anyone who knows you does as well

 

Thanks pal, I've always prided myself on being a stand up, no BS kind of guy. Its important to me what my friends think of me, I dont give a rat's *ss what other people think.

 

 

 

Joe, Thanks much for the well wishes - I'm confident I'll knock 'em dead on the Voyager again if I'm able to get out!

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I went on an 18 hour trip on the same boat about five years ago and had about the same experience. The previous trip was cancelled and quite a few were allowed to go on the next trip regardless of the "limited fares" advertised. I suppose that was the solution to giving refunds. While it was crowded I will say the guys I fished between were good fisherman and I had no issues with that. The smoke in the cabin was a little rough for me, too.

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Tommy might whine every now and then about the fishing being slow but hes not a liar.. that captain was a jerk how he reacted on the other site.. instead of trying to adress toms issues he just started calling tom a liar.. ill never sail on that boat... ever..

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I went on an 18 hour trip on the same boat about five years ago and had about the same experience. The previous trip was cancelled and quite a few were allowed to go on the next trip regardless of the "limited fares" advertised. I suppose that was the solution to giving refunds. While it was crowded I will say the guys I fished between were good fisherman and I had no issues with that. The smoke in the cabin was a little rough for me' date=' too.[/quote']

 

 

Tommy! How are ya buddy?

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Tom you are not the only one as you know by now that has had a bad experience on that boat.I fish a offshore sea bass trip a few years a go and had to fish a good ways away from my cooler.Everytime I would walk a sea bass down to it there were less and less fish in it till I got wise that people were steeling them.So I go up to the guy and start screaming at him and the Capt here's what's going on and comes out and tells me to knock it off.So I go flying up on the top deck and tell him to his face what's going on with these low life and he has the balls to tell me what's the big deal.I am livid at this point and Exchange a few choice words with him and he shows me a pair of handcuffs and says don't make me use these.I tell him if he thinks he is man enough go ahead and try and put them on me you are going to have a long swim home.At this point my friend is up top trying to drag me back down stairs.I go back down and pack my stuff up and sit in the cabin till back at dock.As I am getting of he yells down that I am not welcome back on his boat and I am lucky he didn't call the cops.Haha I told him I would quite fishing before I ever returned to his boat ever again.The Bogans are a bunch of lowlife pos people in that marina yet Bobby on the gambeler is so much diffrent its amazing they are related.And have you ever noticed all the New York trash that boat draws.

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Tom you are not the only one as you know by now that has had a bad experience on that boat.I fish a offshore sea bass trip a few years a go and had to fish a good ways away from my cooler.Everytime I would walk a sea bass down to it there were less and less fish in it till I got wise that people were steeling them.So I go up to the guy and start screaming at him and the Capt here's what's going on and comes out and tells me to knock it off.So I go flying up on the top deck and tell him to his face what's going on with these low life and he has the balls to tell me what's the big deal.I am livid at this point and Exchange a few choice words with him and he shows me a pair of handcuffs and says don't make me use these.I tell him if he thinks he is man enough go ahead and try and put them on me you are going to have a long swim home.At this point my friend is up top trying to drag me back down stairs.I go back down and pack my stuff up and sit in the cabin till back at dock.As I am getting of he yells down that I am not welcome back on his boat and I am lucky he didn't call the cops.Haha I told him I would quite fishing before I ever returned to his boat ever again.The Bogans are a bunch of lowlife pos people in that marina yet Bobby on the gambeler is so much diffrent its amazing they are related.And have you ever noticed all the New York trash that boat draws.

 

SB, Thanks for sharing your story, pal. Your narrative is very consistent with a number of PMs I received on the other site. You're right about Bobby and the Gambler though. Terrific boat, operation and crew. I'm very sorry that his operation is done for the season. I've got a couple of trips planned on the Voyager for the next couple of weeks:D

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Capt Jeff on the voyager is top notch and will give you great service.Good luck wish I had the time to fish this winter I hot the itch bad .

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I have never fished the Big J but i will fluke fish on the JII and i have had good experiences.I will admit one mate is a little rough around the edges but my dad and i got past that, we can be obnoxious too. I had a real bad experience on the Gambler on a tuna trip and will never fish with them again.

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So sorry for your bad experience. I grew up with the Bogans and some of them are very harsh. I use to work on the Gambler as a kid & always ran with Capt. Rich & Capt Bobby..who are great people. Its a shame they all cant be as nice as them. Luckily you have other boats to choose from. Again, sorry for your bad experience.

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For clarification, Mr. Daly's post on the other site was VERY different from the post on here (and was made within hours of the boat sailing) . As was proven from both a copy of the reservation sheet being booked, info directly from the captain AS WELL AS one of the customers own report from the trip in question (that Mr. Daly did not sail on) there were in fact only 50 passengers on board the boat, not even the 55 as advertised.

 

Mr. Daly stated that there were "Closer to 100 people" (that is a direct quote) on board as opposed to the 55 advertised. He later revised his original statement to say "closer" meant around 70+ (being between the 55 allowed and his estimate of 100)

 

Mr. Daly, after being told of the actual passenger count, also posted later he would like to hear from someone else on the boat as to the number of people and space on board. He did, and yet never commented again or even in that persons report.

 

The link to the fisherman's report is below, as long as it is not against this sites rules to post outside links. If so, you know where to go to look for it.

 

http://www.njfishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56285

 

Mr. Daly managed to call, leave a message, send a PM on the "other" site, send an e-mail and then talk to the captain to reserve his spot. However, Mr. Daly's only action after that was a post on an internet site with a gross exaggeration of the supposed issue (too many people on board when in fact the trip was not sold out) He did not attempt to verify how many people on board, he did not contact the captain, send an e-mail, a pm, a carrier pigeon, nothing. Instead of speaking to the captain or even verifying his assumptions he simply posted a grossly exaggerated comment on an internet site.

 

I will not waste time going into this issue again. I do not know Mr. Daly. I do know he needs to work on his estimation skills just a tad. Had he actually thought there were that many people on board he could have simply counted them at roll call when everyone is taken off the boat and called back on in the order of their reservation, which would have happened with 15 minutes or so of Mr. Daly's departure from the basin.

 

I can see looking at 50 people and thinking it was 60. That is a simple over estimation. But to have 50 passengers on a boat and claim publicly that it was "closer to 100" is just ridiculous. And the 50 number has been verified by an independent third party, namely passengers that fished the same trip.

 

Have a good day and I will not belabor this topic any further, it has already been proven that the Mr. Daly's comments to the overbooking of the trip were wrong, which is why the thread was deleted. It was up for 18 HOURS on the other site and was left until it was proven to be incorrect.

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CaptTB,

 

Thanks for coming by and offering your side of the story!

 

I can only speak for myself, as I wasn't there obviously, and can't comment on who was on board number wise, but I'd like to ask a fair question...one that I don't believe I've seen asked here or on NJFishing.com.

 

Is it possible there were others on board that weren't paying customers, that could have contributed to the misunderstanding and variance in counting? I'm assuming the 50-55 limitation is paying customers only? Does that account for any non-paying customers (friends, working mates, non-working but fishing mates, family, etc), or other crew that may have been on the boat but not part of that count/sheet?

 

Obviously the difference between 50 and 100 is significant, but that *could* account for a little variance that hasn't been discussed up to this point? I know from my years of working on the boats that non-paying customers do come on from time to time for various reasons as detailed above...which can be a good thing (to help increase catch numbers, vamp up business and customer morale, etc) within reasonable measures (when it isn't overloading the boat and encroaching on paying customers). Not saying that *is* what happened here, only asking...but the term of "paying customers" is exactly and *only* that...the paying customers (and no one else).

 

Again, thank you for coming by, sharing your side, and keeping things civil in the discussion. I know the other thread got pretty heated on NJFishing.com, so lets all try to keep it from heading in that direction here!

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You cant even disagree with someones line choice on that site. Any argument over there is going 10 pages easy. I met and like the owner but some of the guys on there are just so arrogant i wont even engage in a conversation over there. Very informative site though.

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