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I got no problem with "short", almost all the shots i take are well within 20 yards and nothing more than 30....My fist lost doe was shot with the x bow at about 30 yards, the second was with the compound at about 10 yards...... but, what exactly  a "high percentage" shot is,  is at issue..

 

 

A "high percentage" shot is one where you know with relative certainty that you are going to actually kill the animal you are shooting at and not hope you do or guess you will....

Those are called "Pot Shots" :stirring:  :cupcoffee:

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I would think high is broadside with more of a chance to hit vitals . If you put a paper plate over the vitals on a broadside you hit any where on that plate n you will likely have a dead deer. Now the deer is now frontal put that sme plate on him now your only window is center up to bout 12:00. From 3-9 that is a miss or wounded deer IMO .

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 but, what exactly  a "high percentage" shot is,  is at issue..

 

 

there is no question a full frontal shot is far from "high percentage"

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Well i cant disagree with that Pal... thats why i'm having a problem with a straight up frontal shot being considered  "low percentage" by some ..  Though i've never taken one from that angle, it seems like it would be a good place to put an arrow if you 1) know where the little hole Matty spoke of is or  better yet 2) you aim a little above the sternum in a area that looks to be about the size of a softball.. About the same size target area you have when aiming for the heart..And thats a shot most of you will take and consider a "High Percentage" target area.. sure, any deviation from that area will probably result in a wounded and lost deer but, if aiming for the heart from a quartering away position or broad side or whatever, the same holds true.. Any deviation could very well result in a wounded and lost deer.. so whats the difference?

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Should YOU take a full frontal shot? From what I know about you...you shouldn't even be allowed in the woods with any weapon.

 

The only full frontal shot you should get is on your face in a gay porn...

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Should YOU take a full frontal shot? From what I know about you...you shouldn't even be allowed in the woods with any weapon.

 

The only full frontal shot you should get is on your face in a gay porn...

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

OUCH!!!! :crazylol:  :letsparty: 

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Well i cant disagree with that Pal... thats why i'm having a problem with a straight up frontal shot being considered  "low percentage" by some ..  Though i've never taken one from that angle, it seems like it would be a good place to put an arrow if you 1) know where the little hole Matty spoke of is or  better yet 2) you aim a little above the sternum in a area that looks to be about the size of a softball.. About the same size target area you have when aiming for the heart..And thats a shot most of you will take and consider a "High Percentage" target area.. sure, any deviation from that area will probably result in a wounded and lost deer but, if aiming for the heart from a quartering away position or broad side or whatever, the same holds true.. Any deviation could very well result in a wounded and lost deer.. so whats the difference?

 

 

The difference is a front shot and miss is a definite wounded deer...

The side shot and miss could still be lungs or liver...if your consistently missing those areas no need to really be in the woods.

 

Even if it is "ONLY A DOE"

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The side shot and miss could still be lungs or liver

 

 

sure it "could be".. Maybe... it all depends on which way the arrow deviated.. But the same holds true with a straight up frontal too IMO...  And might i also add, it seems an errant shot from the front is MORE likely, because of the narrow profile, to result in a clean miss vs broad side ...

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Should YOU take a full frontal shot? From what I know about you...you shouldn't even be allowed in the woods with any weapon.

 

The only full frontal shot you should get is on your face in a gay porn...

 

 

 

 

 I see you got a photo of your BF " sugar britches" as your Avatar... Nice package eh?.. :rofl:

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Honestly it sounds like you wanted to take the shot all along and you were only looking for "advice" that coincides with that decision.

 

You're a grown man, you can shoot a deer wherever you want. If you think aiming for the small hole where the esophagus enters the body cavity is a high percentage shot that you can make all the time, go ahead. It leads to vital organs, even if it is heavily shielded by bones and offers very little margin of error.

 

Just remember that several fellow bowhunters warned you that it's not a high percentage bow shot and that it can result in poor blood trails or deflected arrows that end with wounded, lost deer.

 

I don't know about you, but wounded, lost deer to me are a torturous nightmare. Doe or buck I usually want to quit hunting I feel so bad. That's why I do everything in my power not to let that happen. I think everyone that hunts should.

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Honestly it sounds like you wanted to take the shot all along and you were only looking for "advice" that coincides with that decision

 

well, not exactly... As i was watching those 2 deer faceing me head on..and with the final seconds of legal shooting time ticking down the thought did cross my mind..  But it was just a thought, nothing more.... because i never contemplated it before and so wasnt sure how it might turn out.. I dont like wounding and losing  animals anymore than anyone else does.... But now that i've researched the issue, listened to those with more experience who have tried it, and looked at the animals anatomy from that angle, I've pretty much come to the conclusion its not as "high percentage" a shot as the lung area but, If thats all the deer wants to give you, it seems to be just as easy to hit, and just as effective as the Heart would be from a different angle.. And i know most of you aim for the boiler room alot and forgo the good ol' dependable double lunger .....

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it seems to be just as easy to hit..... AS WHAT.. :loco:

 

 

 

AS THE HEART!!!..  :smoking:  :smoking:

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I wonder what percentage shooting at a turkey with the bow compares to that shot? or a rabbit or a squirrel? that must be some crazy unethical shooting right there.

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The best way to think about that shot is taking a paper plate and cutting a strip out 1" wide from the middle to the top of the plate. Put that on a target and that's what you need to hit 100% of the time. Unfortunately the unknowns you add to that are a bobbing head and moving deer. So instead of hanging the cutout from the plate on your target, tie it to a string about 3' long and try to hit it 100% of the time.

 

A broadside or a quartering shot gives the shooter a more generous horizontal and vertical shooting zone and are the preferred shots to take. A head-on shot is very, very narrow, and you lose at least 50% or more vertical area too. In Hollywood you'd make that shot every time, in reality, probably not as much.

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I took my frontal shot years ago, with experience and age comes wisdom… hopefully. Even though I practice with my broadheads on a regular basis I feel it not worth the chance of that shot again for several reasons, first the chance of not killing it, second the chance on not killing it quickly, third the chance of not recovering it, and fourth I'd much rather watch the deer go down in sight than tracking a deer with a barely existing blood trail all through the woods for hours.

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I see you got a photo of your BF " sugar britches" as your Avatar... Nice package eh?.. :rofl:

That's me as a teenager you homo....what are you doing looking at the package of underage boys...I guess it comes back to your personal full frontal facials you get.

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That's me as a teenager homo....what are you doing looking at the package of underage boys

 

Yeah well with your package looking like it was meant to be the focal point of the photo its kinda hard to miss.. No one goes hunting with a pair of calf high white socks, tight shorts And takes a pic of themselves holding a rabbit and bow with  slightly limp wrists other than a fruit, ya fruit...  I got nothin against gays, i just cant stand it when they flaunt their sexuality like you did in that photo... this "look at me i'm gay" attitude is the biggest reason your type is despised by many.. Clean it up will ya... :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

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Hunters would notice the rabbit...homos notice the package facial boy...         

 

 

 

 

...Or so you hoped, sugar britches..

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I would take the shot...In fact, I have taken the shot in November from inside a blind with the doe looking at me,snorting and stamping her hoof. The arrow from my Barnett Quad400 (replaced with the Excalibur Matrix 380 Blackout) entered the left side of her chest ( right side looking at me) and exited in front of her right leg....she ran 60 yards and dropped....One of two deer I took this year with deer alert and looking at me. The first at 30 yards and the second at 15yds.

 

I find under 30yds they just don't have time to jump the string....and now with the 380 (shooting accurately out to 60yds out of the box) they really don't have a chance...I still do not think i would take a shot grater than 40 yds as too many variables are introduced into the equation.

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do not think i would take a shot grater than 40 yds as too many variables are introduced into the equation.

 

 

 

 I myself am reluctant to take a shot over 30 though i've bagged a deer at 35 yards once last year, and really preferr to take them at 20 or less.. This is only my second year with a cross bow and my first wth a compound and like you pointed out, more and more variables get introduced as you expand your range soo, i try to keep my shots short..  And as it stands, for now at least, i dont see why i shouldnt take a frontal shot at 20 or less from a at ground level... Havent done it yet but.....

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I dont have the most powerfull Cross bow ( 175lb draw weight ) so i dont see it penetrating to the point where i'll get alot, if any, gut.. But should easily punch a hole in the heart.. Maybe i'm wrong i dunno.. Every deer i've taken with it so far was downed with them standing broad side with one slightly quarter too... Allways recovered the arrow laying on the ground 10- 20 feet from where it exited... Again the is something i'm contemplating from ground level... Not 20 feet up.. As of right now i dont see why i shouldnt take a shot like that at less than 20 yards... 

Neither did he.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrWYuh_s1RQ

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Neither did he.........

 

 

:eek: ..wow, great video... :up: .. That thing was bleeding like a stuck pig..  I never got around to taking that kind of shot.. The opportunity never presented itself.. But when it eventually does,.....yup!!..>>>---------> :elch:

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