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right around the time shad are hatching or very small fry...  These are never good for any body of water.

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Well if their is a bad shad run in 4 years you know why

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Thought it was because of the damn mountain kids putting pennies on the tracks......but the video said a culvert washed out after all the heavy rains......u wud figure someone would inspect these things after the heavy rains we had!!!!

Btw......this guy is quoted as being a friend of the river!!!!  How can u say this as a friend.....n how can u say this if it has never happened on your watch before!?!!?

"We are in an unknown space right now this has never happened on our watch at this magnitude but I don`t think 4,000 gallons of diesel fluid or any type of chemical going into the river would have zero impact," said Dan Plummer of friends of the Upper Delaware River."

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Oh yeah......and.....good bye shad run that we have been finally enjoying the past years!!!!

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I would be more concerned with the trout and the whole aquatic system that feeds them .

All of the eagles etc that feed there

By time reached most shad would hope it isless parts per million .

 

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Cargo trains these days are just a disaster waiting to happen at any given time or place. 

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it would be interesting to know what the true environmental impact will be.  I assume the fuel will float and disperse on shorelines miles downstream?  It may have no consequential impact to the spill area.  But I am no expert, but lets hope it "sounds worse" than it really will actually be. 

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It sucks for sure. I'm getting mixed signals from the emergency management guy at 1:50 that it will disperse, float on the top and evaporate then the audio runs back into the first guy saying there is concern because of the cold water nature of the river like no other.. So which is it? Time will tell.....

As for inspecting the tracks after the flooding rains it comes right around to the infrastructure issues of everything these days. Somebody, somewhere took the money for such things and put it somewhere else no doubt.

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2 hours ago, Joeybeets said:

Cargo trains these days are just a disaster waiting to happen at any given time or place. 

It’s not just cargo trains. There seems to be crashes and derailments on the news all of the time for passenger trains also.

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3 hours ago, JHbowhunter said:

It may have no consequential impact to the spill area.  But I am no expert, but lets hope it "sounds worse" than it really will actually be. 

We had a massive fuel leak down here at the NJ Transit garage in  Washington Township (the one in south Jersey, 08012) back in 2012. To compare - this train derailment leaked 4,000 ga of diesel. This spill back in 2012 leaked 26,000 gallons of diesel! That's over 6 times the amount of this trail derailment spill. The leak spilled into Grenloch Lake,  Timber Creek, Blackwood Lake . It was really bad when it happened - reading everything, I got the impression there was a chance we'd never get some of those lakes back.

When it happened: https://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2012/01/diesel_fuel_spill_fouls_grenlo.html

1 year later: https://www.nj.com/washington-township-times/index.ssf/2012/12/nj_transit_nonprofit_reflects.html

2 years later: https://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2014/09/grenloch_lake_oil_spill_new_report_shows_impact_on_insects_crustaceans_two_years_later.html

I fished Grenloch last year -  I never caught much in that place anyway :) but we did catch fish there. From my layman's eyes, just looking at the lake, it didn't seem worse for wear. I'm sure there is still lingering effects, but it seems to have rebounded OK.

Point is, it looks devastating when it first happens, and the clean up needs to be done properly, but Mother Nature has a way of bouncing back. Might not be as pristine as before, but chances are it should get back to some sense of normalcy. 

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Thought it was because of the damn mountain kids putting pennies on the tracks......but the video said a culvert washed out after all the heavy rains......u wud figure someone would inspect these things after the heavy rains we had!!!!
Btw......this guy is quoted as being a friend of the river!!!!  How can u say this as a friend.....n how can u say this if it has never happened on your watch before!?!!?
"We are in an unknown space right now this has never happened on our watch at this magnitude but I don`t think 4,000 gallons of diesel fluid or any type of chemical going into the river would have zero impact," said Dan Plummer of friends of the Upper Delaware River."


I think you don’t understand what Dan is saying. He is a founder of FUDR (Friends of the Upper Delaware, a watershed group founded to protect the upper D and fight with NY City for better ecological flows). He is saying they have never experienced something like this spill, and that he feels it will have negative impacts to the river. So he’s saying exactly what he should based on not having more info from previous spills.

That said, sure these spills are bad and the people/businesses responsible need to be fined, but 4,000 gallons of diesel spilled into a river like the West Branch which has been running very high through all of this isn’t nearly the horror it sounds like. The three “500 year flood” events of ‘05 and ‘06 saw many times grater that amount of fuel oil spilled from homes and businesses and gas stations into the river when it flooded, but people only focus on the floods, not all the crap that entered the river those days.


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17 hours ago, mazzgolf said:

It was really bad when it happened - reading everything, I got the impression there was a chance we'd never get some of those lakes back.

Point is, it looks devastating when it first happens, and the clean up needs to be done properly, but Mother Nature has a way of bouncing back. Might not be as pristine as before, but chances are it should get back to some sense of normalcy. 

 

Although not on the same scale the Valdez Disaster that has been forgotten has Killed the entire Bay and surrounding waters. Sure the effects are hidden below the surface but that entire Ecological System has been Killed. And may never return. Billions lost for the people and economy there lives ruined. Did someone say fine the Culprits LOL?  Exxon was Fined Millions and in the beginning, helped in the Clean up where they are now nowhere to be found but for still shipping oil threw there. Wow Fine them that will get their attention BS The price of Exxon gas the Next day went up a few cents and within a Month all that fine and more was recovered from you and me.  Yes, this Diesel Spill Sounds bad at first and will soon go hidden out of site and Mind But Diesel oil is one of the worst Hydrocarbons that can be spilled on Water due to its makeup.  If you think Mother Nature can Bounce back from disasters such as this one only has to look at The Raritan Bay - NY Blight filled with every pollutant known to man.  there are Countless Feet of Contaminants on the bottom.  What effect this spill has on Delaware will not be known for a few Years as the spin goes on. 

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23 hours ago, Bonefreak said:

u wud figure someone would inspect these things after the heavy rains we had!!!!

 

That's unrealistic. there are thousands if not millions of culverts that would have to be inspected.

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That part of the river is a bug factory which in turn is why there are so many big healthy fish. I wonder how it will effect that part of everything 

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Damn that sucks to hear. Fuel spill into any area is not good.

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I think there will be impact but nothing major. 4,000 gal on a fast moving and very large river will dissipate to insignificant #/parts/million very quickly. To put this in proper perspective I looked at DR flow. In Montague NJ the flow is around 10,900 Gallons per sec. That's 39 million gallons in one single hour. I think the river will heal itself very quickly

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Just when someone says this is not a big deal and may have little effects on the river. Guess again. The full story and impacts Diesel Fuel has over other Hydrocarbons go to the link at bottom of the page.  

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8 minutes ago, 1957Buck said:

Just when someone says this is not a big deal and may have little effects on the river. Guess again. The full story and impacts Diesel Fuel has over other Hydrocarbons go to the link at bottom of the page.  

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Who can read this? Post the link, its a simple cut and paste

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You are peeking again, I like it!:cool:

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Whats just a little spill have to do with the future health of any body of water:piney: 

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18 hours ago, Bucksnbows said:

 


I think you don’t understand what Dan is saying. He is a founder of FUDR (Friends of the Upper Delaware, a watershed group founded to protect the upper D and fight with NY City for better ecological flows). He is saying they have never experienced something like this spill, and that he feels it will have negative impacts to the river. So he’s saying exactly what he should based on not having more info from previous spills.

That said, sure these spills are bad and the people/businesses responsible need to be fined, but 4,000 gallons of diesel spilled into a river like the West Branch which has been running very high through all of this isn’t nearly the horror it sounds like. The three “500 year flood” events of ‘05 and ‘06 saw many times grater that amount of fuel oil spilled from homes and businesses and gas stations into the river when it flooded, but people only focus on the floods, not all the crap that entered the river those days.


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I am sure Dan does a good job for FUDR and some of my post was frustrated sarcasm. We need more people like him who volunteer to steward the woods and waters. Maybe FUDR can implement or help out with culvert checks after heavy storms so this kind of stuff does not happen again.....because if it was due to a washed out culvert after these recent heavy storms....that sounds certainly reasonably preventable if culverts were checked. 

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