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These Articles speak for themselves,   It is the start for other towns to Follow.   The Circled paragraph is the Kicker The Stae will not Challenge Hoem rule as I read it. The Links for each page is at the bottom go to get the full stories. there are answers for a lot of questions asked on here.   

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This is just ridiculous, let these idiots hit a deer on the road once the population is out of control and let it kill someone. They will be begging to get hunters back. Just sickening. 

I have seen first hand what over deer population can do.  Right by where I grew up there was over population and deer would just continuously try n cross the highway.  I Watched a deer get punted by a car on one side  and flying head on into a van going the opposite flow of traffic and cause a 4-5car pile up. This was like 8-9years ago.

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Time we take this to the supreme court?    This means if I own acreage in Holmdel, I can't even target shoot a bow or air rifle on my own land?  

It seems to me that multiple protected rights are being violated.  

It's no different than saying "Holmdel has passed a resolution where you are not allowed to drive fossil fueled vehicles, only non-fossil fueled vehicles are allowed"      That would mean that state and county funded roads passing through Holmdel, would have to honor that rule?  It would be shot down so fast it's not even funny, so how is this any different?

 

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7 minutes ago, JHbowhunter said:

Time we take this to the supreme court?    This means if I own acreage in Holmdel, I can't even target shoot a bow or air rifle on my own land?  

It seems to me that multiple protected rights are being violated.  

It's no different than saying "Holmdel has passed a resolution where you are not allowed to drive fossil fueled vehicles, only non-fossil fueled vehicles are allowed"      That would mean that state and county funded roads passing through Holmdel, would have to honor that rule?  It would be shot down so fast it's not even funny, so how is this any different?

 

Can’t agree more, just ridiculous.  Becuase you know stricter “gun/weapon laws” really work. Look at Chicago.

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Imagine if your town traverses the GSP...  And you pass and ordinance that bans transportation of guns through your town...    Is that constitutional?  A road that bisects the entire state, state and federally funded by the taxpayers and those driving it - violating YOUR constitutional rights.    Unfortunately there must be more liberals in Holmdel than folks with brains, to allow such a thing to be passed.  Hard to believe - it's the township of billionaires, you would think they have more common sense.

 

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We need to push back at what point is enough a enough. A man has the right to do as he pleases on his own property. no one has the right to infringe on the way we live. the state f&g sets the hunting regulations not liberal council members. shame on the state for not backing the laws they set in place and allowing this to happen, if all municipalities do this then f&g will no longer be needed so it is on they’re best interests to stop this crap.

 

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36 minutes ago, JHbowhunter said:

Imagine if your town traverses the GSP...  And you pass and ordinance that bans transportation of guns through your town...    Is that constitutional?  A road that bisects the entire state, state and federally funded by the taxpayers and those driving it - violating YOUR constitutional rights.    Unfortunately there must be more liberals in Holmdel than folks with brains, to allow such a thing to be passed.  Hard to believe - it's the township of billionaires, you would think they have more common sense.

 

I think you are answering your own ?.   Holmdel is a town turning more and more liberal and it's clear that any weapon just does not fit with the agenda.  I'm surprised you are shocked by this.  The state has shifted greatly and towns like this are becoming the norm.  The wake up call came a long time ago but a lot of people were asleep at the wheel and kept voting against their rights because they didn't believe such a sinister agenda exists.  They don't believe in your right to hunt or right to own and use a firearm.   They hope you'll just give in and not fight their socialist agenda.   Democrats no longer exist in NJ, they are all socialists. 

1 hour ago, JHbowhunter said:

Time we take this to the supreme court?    This means if I own acreage in Holmdel, I can't even target shoot a bow or air rifle on my own land?  

It seems to me that multiple protected rights are being violated.  

It's no different than saying "Holmdel has passed a resolution where you are not allowed to drive fossil fueled vehicles, only non-fossil fueled vehicles are allowed"      That would mean that state and county funded roads passing through Holmdel, would have to honor that rule?  It would be shot down so fast it's not even funny, so how is this any different?

 

That's right.  Your rights to use your land are subject to what the town council decides you are allowed to do.  Sounds like communism doesn't it?   This is why I am so skeptical of anyone in gov't, be it municipal, county, state or federal and especially if they are democrats and say they "care" about their constituents.    The interesting thing is that the two parks in Holmdel allowed bowhunting, but after this vote that's gone because it would be in violation of the ordinance and you can't hunt your own land either.  The lunatics have taken over.  The only solution is for the state supreme court to vacate the ordinance and with a leftist state supreme court, I don't see that happening. 

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23 minutes ago, Bones said:

We need to push back at what point is enough a enough. A man has the right to do as he pleases on his own property. no one has the right to infringe on the way we live. the state f&g sets the hunting regulations not liberal council members. shame on the state for not backing the laws they set in place and allowing this to happen, if all municipalities do this then f&g will no longer be needed so it is on they’re best interests to stop this crap.

 

DFW is a political organization under the purview of the political NJDEP.  They are not independent and bend to the will of the commissioner.   You need to wake up and understand it's too late to stop this in NJ.   You have no right to hunt or fish, it's a privilege not a right and you can't push back because you are in the minority.  Any town in NJ can do this and deny you the right to hunt your own land and it's happening right before your eyes. WAKE UP!

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9 hours ago, JHbowhunter said:

Time we take this to the supreme court?    This means if I own acreage in Holmdel, I can't even target shoot a bow or air rifle on my own land?  

It seems to me that multiple protected rights are being violated.  

It's no different than saying "Holmdel has passed a resolution where you are not allowed to drive fossil fueled vehicles, only non-fossil fueled vehicles are allowed"      That would mean that state and county funded roads passing through Holmdel, would have to honor that rule?  It would be shot down so fast it's not even funny, so how is this any different?

 

This has been happening for many years. Little by little they took our land without eliminating our mortgages or taxes. They tell you what and how you can built on your property. They tell you what you can keep and do on your property. They even have power to make you cut grass or make you remove unregistered vehicles. Shit, in my town they can make you remove vehicles with commercial plates. We let it happened and MANY defend government intrusion as necessary to control what your neighbors are doing. People will say "I don't want to live next to the guy who will not cut his grass or parks his broken pick up tuck on his front lawn so I support local regulations which control what people can and can do on their own land. Well, if you one of them then don't complaint about bow ban in your town because this is just another case of your neighbor trying to control what you do on your property.    

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If you can afford living in Holmdel and Colts Neck.......you don't have much else to worry about, except deer huntin in your towns. 

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What happens if you break this ordinance and take it to court. Then when you lose in municipal court, can you appeal it and take it to another court where you would win or no?

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1 hour ago, Lunatic said:

This has been happening for many years. Little by little they took our land without eliminating our mortgages or taxes. They tell you what and how you can built on your property. They tell you what you can keep and do on your property. They even have power to make you cut grass or make you remove unregistered vehicles. Shit, in my town they can make you remove vehicles with commercial plates. We let it happened and MANY defend government intrusion as necessary to control what your neighbors are doing. People will say "I don't want to live next to the guy who will not cut his grass or parks his broken pick up tuck on his front lawn so I support local regulations which control what people can and can do on their own land. Well, if you one of them then don't complaint about bow ban in your town because this is just another case of your neighbor trying to control what you do on your property.    

Amen.  Give the liberals a taste of their medicine and turn in illegal immigrants to ICE. 

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Sounds like more fighting.

 

At some point I hope you guys get preemption. 

Such a shame that people want to take away rights and reduce choices.

 

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7 hours ago, Faster said:

What happens if you break this ordinance and take it to court. Then when you lose in municipal court, can you appeal it and take it to another court where you would win or no?

Any appeal of a Municipal Court ruling goes on to the Superior Court of the county the town is in

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Lots of towns already have no discharge/no hunting laws on the books: Parsippany, Wayne, North Haledon, Riverdale to name a few. The one in Parsippany specifically states it it "illegal to discharge a firearm or cast an arrow".  

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Coltsneck & Holmdel are run by the Old Guard, generations long. They are very protective of the Business of Township management along with Marlboro and Sections of Middletown.  Property Values are a big Investment they don't want to lose.  They look at and feel anyone from the outside, in this case, nonresident Hunters are not welcome after some run-ins in the past.  and would rather see all Hunting Shooting be stopped.  There has been trespassing - Property damages some close encounters with hunters in their minds to close to their houses.  Some have Million Dollar Horse running around. And the Clout to do what the F they want.  All the towns mentioned have also been overrun with NY Transplants with very liberal ideas and huge property investments.  This is Nothing new just made more public now. What has made things even worse is The Many Nurseries located in the areas have installed 16- 20 ft high fencing around the Whole Farm so now the deer are shutout out of 1000s of acres they ones roamed free.   Even a Corn Stand and farm on RT 9 Manalapan has installed that fencing. and has increased road kills in that area. Enough that a Restaurant devoted to Venison Dinners would make out at that stand.  Dozen Ears of Beautiful white corm for $5.  when their corn runs out they Close.  :focus:   Sadly this will spread as The Developments increase and Liberals Increase till all the deer are roadkilled to extinction in New Jersey.  The old days are not coming back. When 6 day deer seasons was the norm. IMO Commercialism- over public exposure has done a lot of harm to Hunting in general. not to leave out the Gun situation 2nd Amendment whos days are numbered.      

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The Developments increase and Liberals Increase till all the deer are roadkilled to extinction in New Jersey.  The old days are not coming back. When 6 day deer seasons was the norm. IMO Commercialism- over public exposure has done a lot of harm to Hunting in general. not to leave out the Gun situation 2nd Amendment whos days are numbered.      

 

Buck I feel just the opposite..  when I was a kid it was tradition to go tothe check station with your deer by mewas the local bars and bs over a soda..  even the non hunters got involved edith contests and running them..  even the way we transport our harvest has changed to cater to non hunters and antis..  when I was 12 you had to have a piece of the deer showing when transporting..  same could be said with fire arms..  it is so taboo in today's culture when someone sees a gun they call immediately..  again when I was a kid walking down the road with shot gun to duck or small game hunt was nothing..  a kid today would be crucified even if allowed to be alone while hunting..  the times then it was more prevalent were the times it was not a big deal..  now ebay are top toe around feelings it is a huge deal when someone who dont like it sees it

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vdep217 something must be missing in interpretation but you and I are of the same thought. Since I started Hunting only some 67 years ago public conceptions were 360 from today.  Many may not agree but Hunting was Tradition done by a smaller number. The Korean war put guns into the hands of a people who had time money to get involved in hunting.  That period of time saw big changes. both in Marketing and attitudes bringing hunting to where it is today.  Everything you mentioned was traditions I enjoyed. Never forget the time I had a deer on my car roof racks driving home from Oxford and only got a few Glances.  Now you never see that. 

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Another equation not mentioned is all the Land ( Farms ) in Towns such as these that are put into Farm Preservation and Land Conservation Trusts where there is NO Hunting Allowed. Some Lease them for Farming but nothing else. These land are removed from the tax roles and Paid for by You And me.  Passed by one on Rt 79 Morganville and saw some 12 deer out grazing at 5:30 pm and that is not unusual for the 1000s of acres just in a few Monmouth County townships.  

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