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  1. Congrats Matt, way to hang in there and get it done!
  2. No offense, that’s funny. I’ll leave it at that...
  3. I don’t want to hear about your 40 years of experience (it’s apparently time to start beating some of you up when it comes to safety!), i also have 40 years experience, so let’s cut the BS and take responsibility for the mistake you made by ignoring the warnings about frozen trees. Your question “so your saying the stand should not be used below freezing?” Is disingenuous to say the least, you know damn well i didn’t say anything about below freezing, i said “frozen tree,” which is what you described. There’s a huge difference between cold temps and a tree that’s ice covered and frozen. If you climbed an ice covered tree, and then blamed the equipment for your fall, that’s about as irresponsible as you can be, that’s why i say your comments are disingenuous. I’ve hunted in as cold temps as we’ve ever had in Jersey with my climber, the rough bark of an oak or similar barked tree does not freeze unless it’s covered in ice, the climbers still dig into the bark just fine no matter the temps. Remember the OPs premise of this post, honesty about your setups? So let’s be a bit more honest with each other in the interest of safety, and not make this a pissing match about who knows more than the next guy! If my tone is a bit rough.......too friggen bad (I now some of you were expecting an apology there weren’t you?😁), because if I can get you to realize the error of your ways, and one of you doesn’t take a swan dive from your stand, it will have been worth it, whether you agree with me or not. if any of you chose to ignore the reality of all this, well, you’re grown ass men and women, you can make your own choices, but at least you are a bit more aware of the potential for disaster, I suggest you think about it very carefully!
  4. TB, I mentioned earlier i didn’t want to beat anyone up, but in the interest of safety, and possibly saving your life, you are the quintessential example of a “disaster working to happen!” Wish i had a buck for every time I’ve heard guys say “the strap is in my way when I draw!” You can adjust it properly so it’s not in your way, you just have to make the effort. You unstrap yourself for the shot?😩 As the topic of this post by the OP was an “honest description” of our Personal safety measures, I would urge you to review yours TB, and give an honest re-evaluation of your process before it’s too late buddy.
  5. Lun, what the hell kind of statement is that to make?! Don’t presume you know how and what I teach to students, this is a discussion about increasing the safety of tree stand use, and giving fellow hunters more awareness through our collective experience(s), so they might not have to go through some of the injuries or near death mishaps that many have gone through. The idea at hunter Ed class is to give students an awareness of the potential for accidents to happen, and stress the need to wear a safety harness and tether themselves to the tree to avoid severe injury and possibly save their life, in which info mention all the available options including descending devices, But it’s a briefing, it’s not a comprehensive class strictly about tree stand use. However, I always ask the students if they want more extensive info to see me after the class, which i then get into the next level of safety which would include further details about descending devices. Im rarely taken up on my offer unfortunately, which is no surprise given it’s hard enough to get experienced hunters to take proper safety precautions, never mind a kid or young adult who feel invincible, to wear proper safety gear. I guess to “your point” about anything can fail, how about the descending device you use, ever look at that and wonder if it could fail, you have a plan for that? I’m being facetious of course, but you get my drift here, anything can fail at anytime, you try to plan the best you can to protect yourself, but it’s almost impossible to plan for every potential situation. How many students have you taught about tree stand safety?
  6. TC, unfortunately you ignored one of the major warnings that the manufacturers mention in their instructions, which is not to climb a slick barked frozen tree, yes you were very lucky indeed. Yes, if you step too close to the tree with a Viper you can dislodge the bottom section, which is why you shouldn’t do that, and also why you have the straps holding the sections together, but on an icy tree the top section won’t grip either, and down you go, as you experienced.
  7. Have you used the Wingman a lot? Any pointers or suggestions on using it? I have one but haven’t used it yet, but I believe i will now.
  8. The above being said, let’s not take the focus off the OPs question and turn this into a “my stand is better then your stand” discussion. if you’re not attached to your tree from the ground up, you have no one to blame but yourself when your staring at your family from a hospital bed and they’re crying over you hoping you will recover and be dad/husband/son again...!
  9. So I didn’t miss your point at all, and I explained that it’s almost impossible to be stranded hanging from your harness when using a quality climber with the extra strap system and being tethered to the tree. you would need such a major failure that I could make the same comparison to an extreme failure of a set of climbing sticks, and you’d be in the same position. It would take extreme failures with both systems to allow that to happen.
  10. That’s the reason for the Third Hand straps that secure the platform to the climber section with two webbing straps. You would need a catastrophic failure Of the entire system to allow the bottom section to fall when using this system. The last thing you want is gravity to get you down to the ground, I’d rather be hanging by my harness in the tree as opposed to still being attached to my stand after it hits the ground! Not that hanging by your harness doesn’t pose its own issues, but if you have the proper setup, which consists of a pressure relief strap, you should be OK till help arrives.
  11. This is a great topic, probably would have been great to do preseason, but it’s never too late. It’s great to see the honesty, so i didn’t want to appear to be beating anyone up here, but as a hunter Ed instructor and long time hunter, I’m really shocked at some of the responses, especially from the more experienced guys. I may be misunderstanding a couple of you in regards to attaching your harness tether to the climber, am i understanding that correctly? If so, I don’t get the safety aspect of that configuration. I can see if the bottom section goes down you won’t go with it, maybe!, cause if you have the climber section up in climbing mode, and the bottom goes at that instant, you’re going down as well! I also use the Third Hand straps, so you’re not likely to lose the bottom section, but I guess I don’t see why you wouldn’t simply use your rope with the Prussic knot around the tree and be 100% safe. So in the interest of honesty, my break down is as follows; climber Summit Viper with third hand straps, and use rope teacher around tree as soon as I get into the stand and the entire way up. I do go up to 30’, so the security of being attached is priceless! loc Ons I always set up a lifeline, always! ladders, I have a few that are only 15’ tall and have a shooting rail, I don’t attach until I’m at height. My reasoning is two fold, first, when was the last time you climbed a ladder and just fell the hell off while climbing? Not likely, but possible I admit. Second, with the shooting rail, as I climb up into the stand, I’m protected from falling backwards by the shooting rail, so that’s how I justify not using a lifeline in my ladders. I have used 25’ ladders that weren’t mine, but I made sure there was a lifeline on them before i used it. sorry for the long winded response, but this subject can not be stressed enough as you know. so i would urge you all, especially you “it can’t happen to me” experienced guys, to invest a few dollars and ensure your continued good health and many more years of enjoying the sport you love so much, not to mention your families peace of mind.
  12. Very impressive TC. Would you say it’s more a factor of the times you hunt( do you mainly Hunt pm?) or a factor of timing of deer activity?
  13. Here’s one a friend took on Nov 3, same day I took mine. Rattled him in (possibly) At last light. Mercer County. That’s all the info I’m at liberty to provide! a lot of nice bucks dropping this last week or so, you still continuing with this survey Rusty?
  14. I know it’s an old cliche, but it’s one of the most appropriate, “location, location, location...”
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