Another good Ryan Kirby video >>>>==============>>

[hammer4reel]

 

[archer36]

Good stuff. I guess the general rule is quarter towards you aim up the front leg nearest you. Quarter away, the leg on opposite side. The angle of the shot matters too. 

[hammer4reel]

21 hours ago, archer36 said:

Good stuff. I guess the general rule is quarter towards you aim up the front leg nearest you. Quarter away, the leg on opposite side. The angle of the shot matters too. 

Kirby has a bunch of very informative prints in his collection .

all are worth a look 

[electric10162]

Informative videos from these guys. Thanks for sharing.

[Rusty]

Great video! 

[archer36]

Just came across this one.

 

[hammer4reel]

19 minutes ago, archer36 said:

Just came across this one.

 

Should just look at his page .

he has quite a few great sketch videos with very accurate information 

[Rusty]

22 minutes ago, archer36 said:

Just came across this one.

 

Another great video!  I like this graphic showing the position of the shoulder blade.    

[archer36]

It's important to note  what kind of hunter he is. Without extensive knowledge of him, I would guess compound bow. His recommemdations are good general rules that everyone should follow. But, you can't compare the KE of a modern (450-515 fps) crossbow to any compound bow (about twice the KE). With the proper broadhead and at average deer ranges (strong fixed blade made fron one piece of steel) (20-30 yds), a crossbow arrow will destroy any deer's shoulder blade. The scapula is fairly thin for the most part except for the ridge. It isn't the best shot for any reason since it's near the upper end of the lungs and on a severe angle, will probably only get one lung. 

I'm not advocating for less than perfect shots, just understanding his perspective. Videos are supposed to apply to most hunters, not the 20%. So, I think his videos are a good service to hunters in general. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by archer36

[vdep217]

2 minutes ago, archer36 said:

It's important to note  what kind of hunter he is. Without extensive knowledge of him, I would guess compound bow. His recommemdations are good general rules that everyone should follow. But, you can't compare the KE of a modern (450-515 fps) crossbow to any compound bow (about twice the KE). With the proper broadhead and at average deer ranges (strong fixed blade made fron one piece of steel) (20-30 yds), a crossbow arrow will destroy any deer's shoulder blade. The scapula is fairly thin for the most part except for the ridge. 

I'm not advocating for less than perfect shots, just understanding his perspective. Videos are supposed to apply to most hunters, not the 20%. So, I think his videos are a good service to hunters in general. 

I don't care what bow your shooting your not getting through the knuckle.  And except for the low percentage quartering to or head on if your hitting heavy bone your not in the vitals of a whit tail

[archer36]

Again, as I said above, I am not advocating shoulder shots. Here is a video of shots with a compound bow. As I said, depending on the comparisons of equipment, a crossbow can be two or three times the KE. It shows that the scapula can be easily penetrated with the right BH, not a big cut mechanical. 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by archer36

[hammer4reel]

1 hour ago, archer36 said:

It's important to note  what kind of hunter he is. Without extensive knowledge of him, I would guess compound bow. His recommemdations are good general rules that everyone should follow. But, you can't compare the KE of a modern (450-515 fps) crossbow to any compound bow (about twice the KE). With the proper broadhead and at average deer ranges (strong fixed blade made fron one piece of steel) (20-30 yds), a crossbow arrow will destroy any deer's shoulder blade. The scapula is fairly thin for the most part except for the ridge. It isn't the best shot for any reason since it's near the upper end of the lungs and on a severe angle, will probably only get one lung. 

I'm not advocating for less than perfect shots, just understanding his perspective. Videos are supposed to apply to most hunters, not the 20%. So, I think his videos are a good service to hunters in general. 

Very few guys shooting the super fast crossbows are shooting fixed blades .

big expandable is more than likely what 99% are shooting .

while the bolt may go through , good chance blades just get sheered off .

Imo with any type archery equipment , the ethical shot is one that is more likely to hit 2 major vitals .

broadside or quartering away should be the goal 

[archer36]

1 hour ago, hammer4reel said:

Very few guys shooting the super fast crossbows are shooting fixed blades .

big expandable is more than likely what 99% are shooting .

while the bolt may go through , good chance blades just get sheered off .

Imo with any type archery equipment , the ethical shot is one that is more likely to hit 2 major vitals .

broadside or quartering away should be the goal 

Agree. But they shoot big mechanicals because they can. They have the KE to punch through. Why not take advantage of ALL the KE? On the flip side, you won't see most compound bow and especially recurve bow hunters use large mechanicals because of the lower KE. There are some fixed blades that have shown to be accurate out of "fast" crossbows at reasonable ranges. But why use them if you can use a bigger cut. Even if you "can" punch through the scapula of a deer, you don't gear up for the exception. My post was only addressing the topic of shoulder shots and what is possible. Again, not advocating for it. You gear up for the desire effect. That is heart and or double lungs. We are generalizing here because we are talking about deer hunting most of the time. If we were talking about "big" game like Moose, big bears, or African animals, the discussion would be totally different. Mechanicals would probably be off the table except for a few. There are some mechanicals that pivot around bone and not shear off.  This can be a plus or a minus. Each shot is different. Look at BH tests done by Lusk Archery. He rates the SEVR mechanical heads among the best he ever tested. That is in ALL respects. 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by archer36

[vdep217]

5 hours ago, archer36 said:

Agree. But they shoot big mechanicals because they can. They have the KE to punch through. Why not take advantage of ALL the KE? On the flip side, you won't see most compound bow and especially recurve bow hunters use large mechanicals because of the lower KE. There are some fixed blades that have shown to be accurate out of "fast" crossbows at reasonable ranges. But why use them if you can use a bigger cut. Even if you "can" punch through the scapula of a deer, you don't gear up for the exception. My post was only addressing the topic of shoulder shots and what is possible. Again, not advocating for it. You gear up for the desire effect. That is heart and or double lungs. We are generalizing here because we are talking about deer hunting most of the time. If we were talking about "big" game like Moose, big bears, or African animals, the discussion would be totally different. Mechanicals would probably be off the table except for a few. There are some mechanicals that pivot around bone and not shear off.  This can be a plus or a minus. Each shot is different. Look at BH tests done by Lusk Archery. He rates the SEVR mechanical heads among the best he ever tested. That is in ALL respects. 

 

Again even on bigger animals if you are hitting large bone you are out of the vitals.(except quartering to or head on)  The exception might be African game where the vitals are situated more toward being covered by leg bone.  Even on a moose only the lower part of scapula covers the top of the lungs.  Remember every game animal was killed with primitive bows at one time. 

 You said you don't prepare for the exception wich I some what disagree with.  Keep hi percentage shots broad side and quartering to and prepare for the worst.  A big mechanical will be very beneficial if you are back.  A 2 inch cut going threw liver gut and intestine is going to be way more destructive than a 1inch fixed head.

Being hi in heavy bone or toward in bone will have a low percentage of being lethal with either head but being back is where the mechanical will shine every time.

Now from the ground I could see a fixed blades being bennificial for a foward exit. But even in this scenario it's a perfect shot and would still rather be prepared for a gut or liver hit

Edited December 28, 2024 by vdep217