State Trail cameras and bait piles.

[Ron]

So as to not hijack other threads I figured I would start a new thread. Trail cameras and baiting on state land. Personally I would like to see both become illegal. All cameras would need to be removed 2 weeks prior to the start of archery season. 
 

My reasons have to do with it being public land. Public land belongs to the people. But so many people feel that if they have a trail camera or a bait pile in a spot they own the spot. But they do not own it oh they have no more right to it than you do. 
 

I got confronted by a guy last year on a public piece I was scouting because I walked past several of his trail cameras. That I should look for different areas because he hunts this spot. And he has cameras all over and he does not want me disturbing his deer. 
 

Another spot I went into last year had a 55 gallon plastic drum chained to a tree with trail cameras all around. Does this mean he owns this spot now?  No. It is public land. 
 

Private land. Hang as many cameras as you want and bait away. Because it is private. 

[Dmg14b]

No. The state shouldn’t regulate trail cameras. We should we all know you’ll have a handful of jackasses who try to claim public land with bait and trail cameras. I think that’s horseshit. Trail cameras are invaluable tools that shouldn’t be discounted because a handful of people use them to stake their claims of public land. 

[Roon]

Like you said we probably have been past the same stand on county property.

Asshat leaves all garbage out bags bottles and such.

I don't even like screw in pegs  because people will see. However, people feel they own everything and the state honestly doesn't give a crap 

[vdep217]

10 minutes ago, Ron said:

So as to not hijack other threads I figured I would start a new thread. Trail cameras and baiting on state land. Personally I would like to see both become illegal. All cameras would need to be removed 2 weeks prior to the start of archery season. 
 

My reasons have to do with it being public land. Public land belongs to the people. But so many people feel that if they have a trail camera or a bait pile in a spot they own the spot. But they do not own it oh they have no more right to it than you do. 
 

I got confronted by a guy last year on a public piece I was scouting because I walked past several of his trail cameras. That I should look for different areas because he hunts this spot. And he has cameras all over and he does not want me disturbing his deer. 
 

Another spot I went into last year had a 55 gallon plastic drum chained to a tree with trail cameras all around. Does this mean he owns this spot now?  No. It is public land. 
 

Private land. Hang as many cameras as you want and bait away. Because it is private. 

I am not for vanning any sort of legal hunting.  But people need to real7ze it's public.  Just because u have a cam or bait dies not make it yours.  Ince we loose somthing we will never get it back.  I don't want to see hunting turn into a rich only sport where u need land or money to enjoy hunting.  A bit different but look at draw only states like California and Arizona.   My friend is a resident and has not drawn any thing from deer elk to turkey or waterfowl in 6 years.  Now I think that labeling cams and stands would deter some if this by limiting it to 2 or 3 on different lamds.

[Turkeyslayer]

I would be down to ban baiting but I say keep cameras

[BHC]

Cameras & bait isn't the issues, it's an individual problem.  

Public land is owned by the people as you stated therefore cameras can't be banned as per the Supreme Court  no one has the right to privacy in public 

[mazzgolf]

Baiting and cameras aside, the absolute worst is the situation with stands... Can't walk 100 yards in some WMAs without seeing a tree stand. And once up, they usually stay up as a way for people to say "this is my spot in perpetuity."

I don't understand why WMAs don't have the same rule as state parks and forests .. They should. Allow only one stand, marked with your CID, and it can only go up a few weeks before the season, and must be removed a few weeks after. Stands found in off season are considered abandoned.

[Ron]

3 minutes ago, BHC said:

Cameras & bait isn't the issues, it's an individual problem.  

Public land is owned by the people as you stated therefore cameras can't be banned as per the Supreme Court  no one has the right to privacy in public 

I can care less who has my photo. It has to do with people using a trail camera to stake claim to a piece of public land as theirs because they have a camera there. Along with a bunch of others all over the place. 

[Bucksnbows]

1 minute ago, mazzgolf said:

Baiting and cameras aside, the absolute worst is the situation with stands... Can't walk 100 yards in some WMAs without seeing a tree stand. And once up, they usually stay up as a way for people to say "this is my spot in perpetuity."

I don't understand why WMAs don't have the same rule as state parks and forests .. They should. Allow only one stand, marked with your CID, and it can only go up a few weeks before the season, and must be removed a few weeks after. Stands found in off season are considered abandoned.

Being conservative, I generally hate more regulations. But having to remove stands on WMAs every year would help reduce some of these issues. I would support that change. It’s lot like they are infringing on your rights. And stands would be safer by forcing the owner to look at all aspects of it each year, not just climb in 7 years after the last strap changeout. 

[vdep217]

1 minute ago, Ron said:

I can care less who has my photo. It has to do with people using a trail camera to stake claim to a piece of public land as theirs because they have a camera there. Along with a bunch of others all over the place. 

Than punish those who act like that not those who do it tge right way.  If your caught trying to claim a piece of land ie telling others to find another spot or destroying others gear automatically a life time ban of hunting privilege.  

[BHC]

Again that's an individual problem they are 💯 % wrong. Find an area that has hard access get in deep away fron others majority of hunters hunt a few hundred yards from their vehicle

[vdep217]

1 minute ago, BHC said:

Again that's an individual problem they are 💯 % wrong. Find an area that has hard access get in deep away fron others majority of hunters hunt a few hundred yards from their vehicle

Some of my best spots are on public land less than 100 yrds from truck.  The idea I'd to learn the land and tge human element and set up accordingly.   I also have spots that it takes 4 people an hour and a half to get a deer out.

[Dmg14b]

4 minutes ago, Bucksnbows said:

Being conservative, I generally hate more regulations. But having to remove stands on WMAs every year would help reduce some of these issues. I would support that change. It’s lot like they are infringing on your rights. And stands would be safer by forcing the owner to look at all aspects of it each year, not just climb in 7 years after the last strap changeout. 

Absolutely agree however we both know there’s nobody around to enforce those rules. 

anti’s are so cohesive and organized 

we push people off public land. 
 

such a mystery why we’re constantly under attack. 

[vdep217]

3 minutes ago, Dmg14b said:

Absolutely agree however we both know there’s nobody around to enforce those rules. 

anti’s are so cohesive and organized 

we push people off public land. 
 

such a mystery why we’re constantly under attack. 

The parks figure it out with stands.  If they are left after x date they end up in an auction 

[Dmg14b]

Just now, vdep217 said:

The parks figure it out with stands.  If they are left after x date they end up in an auction 

Parks get more funding from the state. WMA’s are primarily the responsibility of fish and game.