Sparring Necessary.

[Fred Flintstone]

 

[Fred Flintstone]

This Short brought back memories indeed. I used to Spar  Twice a week over nearly 13 years. With Hundreds of different people.  I kind of miss it.

[hunterbob1]

Good times in my day the movie theaters were packed

 

[hunterbob1]

2 hours ago, Fred Flintstone said:

 I used to Spar  Twice a week over nearly 13 years. With Hundreds of different people.  I kind of miss it.

How many times did you get hit in the head(hard)

[Fred Flintstone]

4 hours ago, hunterbob1 said:

How many times did you get hit in the head(hard)

 Not too much. Just my Share Bob. Last Time,I Sparred was at age 34. I just turned 64 thus past September 15th.

  Most of the Sparring was medium to the Body and none to the head. If you wanted to go Full Contact with a higher rank - that would happen.

  As far as Defense- what,I taught involved all 3 Types since,I also have 50+ years of Boxing Training.

  You can either move around. And,I don't  mean like a Jackrabbit bouncing around and wasting energy. You can keep your Hands up at all times until it becomes part of you. Or you can move your Head.

   I prefer the Muay Thai style of keeping Hands up- that is on either side of your Head protecting the Temple and the whole Jawline and keeping the chin tucked like Rocky Marciano.  

  As far as moving the Head,I taught to move your Head only when something  is coming in and your hands are up high at the same time.

  And it is most important  to continually  come Forward as I taught. Too many guys play the Distance and timing game. And that is a young man's game Bob. 

  I tried to copy Rocky Mariano's  Style as close as,I could and added in Karate,Muay Thai, Judo and Jujitsu  Techniques, I started to learn way back in 1982.

  I have been Rocked Bob for sure and TG,I also worked my Neck Muscles with a variety  of Wrestlers Bridges as a young Man and still do some today.

   The Kick that is the Toughest to see coming is the Hook Kick. A good Kicker will use that alot. So important  to keep your hands up and never drop them down. 

  Very important  to move your head from incoming Jabs. Then move forward or off the centerline. 

   I see too many MMA Fighters getting hit much too Flush and that is partly the Coaches Fault. I would probably  make a good coach today Bob for a young Fighter.

  Never been Knocked out in the Dojo- but have seen the White Flash Twice.  

 Hope this answers your question  Bob.

[hunterbob1]

I give you credit what's your real first name

[Fred Flintstone]

47 minutes ago, hunterbob1 said:

I give you credit what's your real first name

Bill-- blackbeltbill over at nywoodsandwaters.

[not on the rug]

6 hours ago, Fred Flintstone said:

 Not too much. Just my Share Bob. Last Time,I Sparred was at age 34. I just turned 64 thus past September 15th.

  Most of the Sparring was medium to the Body and none to the head. If you wanted to go Full Contact with a higher rank - that would happen.

  As far as Defense- what,I taught involved all 3 Types since,I also have 50+ years of Boxing Training.

  You can either move around. And,I don't  mean like a Jackrabbit bouncing around and wasting energy. You can keep your Hands up at all times until it becomes part of you. Or you can move your Head.

   I prefer the Muay Thai style of keeping Hands up- that is on either side of your Head protecting the Temple and the whole Jawline and keeping the chin tucked like Rocky Marciano.  

  As far as moving the Head,I taught to move your Head only when something  is coming in and your hands are up high at the same time.

  And it is most important  to continually  come Forward as I taught. Too many guys play the Distance and timing game. And that is a young man's game Bob. 

  I tried to copy Rocky Mariano's  Style as close as,I could and added in Karate,Muay Thai, Judo and Jujitsu  Techniques, I started to learn way back in 1982.

  I have been Rocked Bob for sure and TG,I also worked my Neck Muscles with a variety  of Wrestlers Bridges as a young Man and still do some today.

   The Kick that is the Toughest to see coming is the Hook Kick. A good Kicker will use that alot. So important  to keep your hands up and never drop them down. 

  Very important  to move your head from incoming Jabs. Then move forward or off the centerline. 

   I see too many MMA Fighters getting hit much too Flush and that is partly the Coaches Fault. I would probably  make a good coach today Bob for a young Fighter.

  Never been Knocked out in the Dojo- but have seen the White Flash Twice.  

 Hope this answers your question  Bob.

Going to chime in on this one...that video was hard to watch. Entirely too much focus on the technique of 1 martial art leads to glaring deficiencies in the ability to actually fight.  Also, reaching with hands to block a kick is always a bad idea.  

Hands should always remain up, chin tucked slightly, but body should be angled a little more.  Never too square.  

Fighting is all about distance and timing.  Using your front hand and front foot to jab and create distance and find your range and timing.  That is what allows for changing levels, mixing your strikes with grappling, etc.

Always coming forward is the dumbest idea possible and a great way to get killed.  Fighting is always a young man's game for sure, but constantly moving forward opens up entirely too many vulnerabilities.

Head movement, while crucial in boxing is very minimal in true fighting or mixed martial arts when the entire body of your opponent is a weapon, there are take-downs, etc.

With all due respect Fred, something that might be missing from your assessment is the passage of time.  Modern fighters are so much more skilled than the fighters of yesteryear. The same is true for all sports.  Guys are simply bigger, stronger, faster and far more skilled than they were a generation ago.  Hell, even in 10 years time, the sports have changed dramatically.   In the past 20 years, fight sports have probably changed more than any other sport out there.  Many of the superstars of the early UFC wouldn't even make an undercard these days 

[Fred Flintstone]

On 10/5/2023 at 4:06 PM, not on the rug said:

Going to chime in on this one...that video was hard to watch. Entirely too much focus on the technique of 1 martial art leads to glaring deficiencies in the ability to actually fight.  Also, reaching with hands to block a kick is always a bad idea.  

Hands should always remain up, chin tucked slightly, but body should be angled a little more.  Never too square.  

Fighting is all about distance and timing.  Using your front hand and front foot to jab and create distance and find your range and timing.  That is what allows for changing levels, mixing your strikes with grappling, etc.

Always coming forward is the dumbest idea possible and a great way to get killed.  Fighting is always a young man's game for sure, but constantly moving forward opens up entirely too many vulnerabilities.

Head movement, while crucial in boxing is very minimal in true fighting or mixed martial arts when the entire body of your opponent is a weapon, there are take-downs, etc.

With all due respect Fred, something that might be missing from your assessment is the passage of time.  Modern fighters are so much more skilled than the fighters of yesteryear. The same is true for all sports.  Guys are simply bigger, stronger, faster and far more skilled than they were a generation ago.  Hell, even in 10 years time, the sports have changed dramatically.   In the past 20 years, fight sports have probably changed more than any other sport out there.  Many of the superstars of the early UFC wouldn't even make an undercard these days 

Just read this as,I am not on this site as much as the NY Sister site.

  I definitely  disagree with a number of your points. I have no time for a back and forth. I point out my credentials- 42 years of mma training and 51 years of Boxing Training.

  We disagree-- let's  leave it there..

[Fred Flintstone]

  I tried to copy Rocky Marciano's as much as possible.  It is how,I move- always forward with Hands up,chin tucked.  Video below of one of the best with the Shortest reach of any Heavyweight Champion- 67"s.

[Fred Flintstone]

 

[not on the rug]

54 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

Just read this as,I am not on this site as much as the NY Sister site.

  I definitely  disagree with a number of your points. I have no time for a back and forth. I point out my credentials- 42 years of mma training and 51 years of Boxing Training.

  We disagree-- let's  leave it there..

Disagreement definitely spurns great conversation and moves things forward.  No worries. 

48 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

  I tried to copy Rocky Marciano's as much as possible.  It is how,I move- always forward with Hands up,chin tucked.  Video below of one of the best with the Shortest reach of any Heavyweight Champion- 67"s.

I love Rocky and he is and will always be considered one of the all-time greats.  That being said, the fighters of those generations wouldn't last a round with modern fighters.  It is what it is. His abilities simply don't transcend nearly 70 years of progress.  

[Fred Flintstone]

1 hour ago, not on the rug said:

Disagreement definitely spurns great conversation and moves things forward.  No worries. 

I love Rocky and he is and will always be considered one of the all-time greats.  That being said, the fighters of those generations wouldn't last a round with modern fighters.  It is what it is. His abilities simply don't transcend nearly 70 years of progress.  

  Well,We disagree on this as well. Life goes on.

[not on the rug]

12 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

  Well,We disagree on this as well. Life goes on.

Do you really think athletes from past generations can compete with modern day athletes? If so, what evidence do you have that indicates that?

Even in something as simple as the 100m dash, times are fully 2 seconds faster than they were 70 years ago.  

Denying that athletes are bigger, stronger, faster and more skilled than they were in the past is literal insanity.  

[3Blade]

10 minutes ago, not on the rug said:

Do you really think athletes from past generations can compete with modern day athletes? If so, what evidence do you have that indicates that?

Even in something as simple as the 100m dash, times are fully 2 seconds faster than they were 70 years ago.  

Denying that athletes are bigger, stronger, faster and more skilled than they were in the past is literal insanity.  

Phil, are you saying fighters of the past couldn’t compete today.. come on man