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[Lunatic]

5 minutes ago, Bucksnbows said:

Yeah, lock downs are not only not working, but they destroy our economy in so doing.  The left all seem to be terrified by this virus and they all seem to want to hide under their basement carpets. Not me. I’m living life as normally as I can these days. I no longer fear Covid. From what I know of the disease eight months after it hit us is that I should be just fine if I do contract it. I do all those things I mentioned and feel that that is enough protection.

I feel the same way. In fact, knowing this thing is here to stay, I prefer to get exposed now, while I’m healthy, instead of months or years from now when I could have some other health issues. i have no fear of this viruses since I’m more likely to die in my car on the way to get tested than dying from the virus itself 

[JFC1]

4 minutes ago, Bucksnbows said:

Yeah, lock downs are not only not working, but they destroy our economy in so doing.  The left all seem to be terrified by this virus and they all seem to want to hide under their basement carpets. Not me. I’m living life as normally as I can these days. I no longer fear Covid. From what I know of the disease eight months after it hit us is that I should be just fine if I do contract it. I do all those things I mentioned and feel that that is enough protection.

Those are great numbers and, if maintained, definitely lead me to take your positions on getting on with life even though I lost a healthy, active, in great shape, no underlying conditions, middle-aged buddy to the flu when he was in late 40s. There is one issue, which is it makes sense that as the curve flattened in the big cities and epicenters that were once overwhelmed, hospitals have been able to treat patients better. And they've learned to do it with available resources and in new, better ways. All that makes sense and is normal. But if hospitals get overwhelmed again, it ain't gonna continue to happen and death rate will go up. It's pretty simple. You don't have the resources to do things right. Pls note that I'm not fighting for shutdown, but pointing out that masks continue to be important and as already put out, there's something called "Viral load" that's influential in whether or not we get it, and how badly. An N-95, according to opponents of their use on this forum, filters out 95% of COVID  particles. That's key for reducing viral load.  I know I haven't had a cold since the whole COVID thing started and I haven't isolated in some radical way.  From what certain people are saying on this board and what I see on the street, lottsa supposed macho men are not using masks and fighting against public health authorities that advocate it. And at least half of people I see use them in ways that make little sense--smoking, eating, reusing grimy old masks that are like sponges for viruses, and dropping them below the nose. 

[JFC1]

11 minutes ago, Lunatic said:

I feel the same way. In fact, knowing this thing is here to stay, I prefer to get exposed now, while I’m healthy, instead of months or years from now when I could have some other health issues. i have no fear of this viruses since I’m more likely to die in my car on the way to get tested than dying from the virus itself 

It's not chicken pox. You get it and 6 months later you have no antibodies. I got it in February. By May there was no trace of it.

[Farmshine]

It's not chicken pox. You get it and 6 months later you have no antibodies. I got it in February. By May there was no trace of it.

How was it the second time you had it? Where did you get tested the first time in February? And what type of test did you get?


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[Bucksnbows]

1 hour ago, JFC1 said:

It's not chicken pox. You get it and 6 months later you have no antibodies. I got it in February. By May there was no trace of it.

That six month later no antibodies is a case by case basis.  Some people have antibodies 8 months later and some don't after only a few short months.  There is no absolute there.  None at all.  

[JFC1]

On 11/16/2020 at 9:52 AM, Bucksnbows said:

That six month later no antibodies is a case by case basis.  Some people have antibodies 8 months later and some don't after only a few short months.  There is no absolute there.  None at all.  

exactly. and that's why I was warnin that we can't just expect that if you have it once, you're safe for a long time, for life, or even for a medium-term. We just don't know yet

[JFC1]

On 11/16/2020 at 9:09 AM, Farmshine said:

How was it the second time you had it? Where did you get tested the first time in February? And what type of test did you get?


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I didn't have it a second time, but I had the serologic blood test for antibodies later this spring because I was hoping I could be one of those guys who thinks he won't get it again. CDC says no dice, even if they pick up antibodies. But in my case, there was no available test in February for me since I'm a working stiff. But my MD and all MDs consulted with then and now say my wife and I had it--I lost my sense of smell and taste BEFORE that was even publicized as a key symptom, spent some scary days as if a bear were hugging my chest even though I had no congestion of the sort you get with pneumonia even though I was breathing normally but it was as if I were at 16,000 feet with no O2 entering lungs, and then I couldn't really walk, breathe normally, go up stairs, or do any sort of physical activity for a month-6 weeks without breaking out in sweats and trembling or having to go back to bed for a day. The thing came and went like no flu--you feel like on death's door one day, then a few days later you imagine you're better from the 'flu,' and all of a sudden it socks you again. I never had anything like that in my life. And I'm healthy, middle aged, and strong as a bull. All this after catching a LONG flight out of Ethiopia to GErmany, where we stupidly tried to sleep during a lon layover in a long, enclosed hallway waiting for US flight while all the people were getting off their flights from China. I sat there thinking, "Look at those dumb masks. Is this stuff real? Should I be here? WHy are they so uptight about masks and isn't it ridiculous to see them walking around the city in masks?" And then I had the feeling I was being an idiot. But before we left for Africa it was just a blip on the radar of some old age home in WA and then we were in the bush, outta touch...Some of you will say I never had it, because my excellent but regular guy Dr. had no readily available access to testing (failure of US govt authorities since by Feb the President was recognizing privately the danger of COVID). Some of you will say I'm an idiot. Some of you will recognize why I keep on talking here on Woods n Water about importance of masks. In retrospect I think i was an idiot to sleep in that enclosed airway hallway filled with people straight outta China. And I think anyone who doubts the efficacy and importance of masks today is an idiot like I was. 

[JFC1]

On 11/14/2020 at 8:25 PM, vdep217 said:

Socialist communist one in the same but I thought you had Venezuela there I mis read.   The fact is there is evidence that locked downs are not working.   If you want to stay inside for the rest of your life by all means do so your free to do that.  But I want to get on with my life as do many others.

  At this point  life needs to go on much longer and our economy won't survive and will be a a shadow of what it once was.

 Biden is talking about a 6 week total shit down..  what di u think will happen after 6 weeks it will spike again.

  Did you read the article link I posted?  Is that what you want 

I told you I read it and it was a waste of my time. You don't seem to read what i WRITE...vENEZUELA...ARTICLE...COME ON MAN.  After six weeks it will spike again...hmmmm...not if you do it right and some selfish people don't go out to bars or refuse to wear their masks. That's what I wrote you about Spain--it worked, and then they let their guard down. There are logical ways to shut down, limit CERTAIN types of gatherings, do contact tracing, wear masks, and fight for a vaccine. It's not rocket science. But the crazies--both libs and conservatives--in our country make it impossible to do it rationally. 

[vdep217]

7 minutes ago, JFC1 said:

I told you I read it and it was a waste of my time. You don't seem to read what i WRITE...vENEZUELA...ARTICLE...COME ON MAN.  After six weeks it will spike again...hmmmm...not if you do it right and some selfish people don't go out to bars or refuse to wear their masks. That's what I wrote you about Spain--it worked, and then they let their guard down. There are logical ways to shut down, limit CERTAIN types of gatherings, do contact tracing, wear masks, and fight for a vaccine. It's not rocket science. But the crazies--both libs and conservatives--in our country make it impossible to do it rationally. 

By your thinking we need to live in a bubble the rest of our lives.  It is well documented people that isolated in there homes contracted the virus its not going any where. 

  So if people that had it already can get it again how is a vaccine going to work.  The idea of a vaccine is to introduce the virus to form antibodies.  

  If lock downs worked places like Spain wouldn't be seeing it again people can't stay locked down forever.   Its time to say if you don't want to go out don't but let the rest of us go on with our lives 

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[Farmshine]

I didn't have it a second time, but I had the serologic blood test for antibodies later this spring because I was hoping I could be one of those guys who thinks he won't get it again. CDC says no dice, even if they pick up antibodies. But in my case, there was no available test in February for me since I'm a working stiff. But my MD and all MDs consulted with then and now say my wife and I had it--I lost my sense of smell and taste BEFORE that was even publicized as a key symptom, spent some scary days as if a bear were hugging my chest even though I had no congestion of the sort you get with pneumonia even though I was breathing normally but it was as if I were at 16,000 feet with no O2 entering lungs, and then I couldn't really walk, breathe normally, go up stairs, or do any sort of physical activity for a month-6 weeks without breaking out in sweats and trembling or having to go back to bed for a day. The thing came and went like no flu--you feel like on death's door one day, then a few days later you imagine you're better from the 'flu,' and all of a sudden it socks you again. I never had anything like that in my life. And I'm healthy, middle aged, and strong as a bull. All this after catching a LONG flight out of Ethiopia to GErmany, where we stupidly tried to sleep during a lon layover in a long, enclosed hallway waiting for US flight while all the people were getting off their flights from China. I sat there thinking, "Look at those dumb masks. Is this stuff real? Should I be here? WHy are they so uptight about masks and isn't it ridiculous to see them walking around the city in masks?" And then I had the feeling I was being an idiot. But before we left for Africa it was just a blip on the radar of some old age home in WA and then we were in the bush, outta touch...Some of you will say I never had it, because my excellent but regular guy Dr. had no readily available access to testing (failure of US govt authorities since by Feb the President was recognizing privately the danger of COVID). Some of you will say I'm an idiot. Some of you will recognize why I keep on talking here on Woods n Water about importance of masks. In retrospect I think i was an idiot to sleep in that enclosed airway hallway filled with people straight outta China. And I think anyone who doubts the efficacy and importance of masks today is an idiot like I was. 

I appreciate your response to my question. And that was why I asked. You never actually tested positive. Because you didn’t have access to a test in February and your test in late spring was negative. I do not doubt your symptoms but I’ve heard so many people say they had it in December or January or February but in actuality they were never tested. Either way, glad you fully recovered an be well.


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[JFC1]

15 minutes ago, vdep217 said:

By your thinking we need to live in a bubble the rest of our lives.  It is well documented people that isolated in there homes contracted the virus its not going any where. 

  So if people that had it already can get it again how is a vaccine going to work.  The idea of a vaccine is to introduce the virus to form antibodies.  

  If lock downs worked places like Spain wouldn't be seeing it again people can't stay locked down forever.   Its time to say if you don't want to go out don't but let the rest of us go on with our lives 

diseases spike and wane as they become part of an ecology, which adapts to them as they do to it. There's no doubt we as humans and COVID as a virus will adapt to one another. But that adaptation shouldn't be run by fears about economics, the political machinations of a lying president, political zealots' fears of masks (selfishness), or liberal complaining and desires to live in a bubble. If it does, the virus will have a greater chance of doing real damage to us as a population. No way should and can people stay locked down forever. You're right. But you going on with your life without thinking stuff through could well kill my 84 year old mom, and maybe yours as well as me. So dont' mix your critique of socialism (or communism, which ain't the same and if you think it is it underscores need to bone up on stuff) with epidemiological advice. Stick to ideas like the fact that it's hard to make a vaccine for something that mutates...and yet we're bein promised a vaccine by govt and big pharma. What's up with that? DOes it not mutate as much as some say? are there political and eocnomic insgterests involved? I don't know. But your point raises good questions, and in me responding to it I bought the line about vaccines. Maybe it's a wide spectrum vaccine? THese are the real questions. And in the meantime we need NOT to infect others and not overwhelm hospitals. I"ve vbeen doing my part by hunting my butt off, and staying in the woods whenever possible. When I visit my mom I sleep on screened porch and don't enter house. But I"m not gonna risk it, even though chances of me having COVID are slight and my mom's a tough nut. 

So all I'm saying is that, in the above, I both disagree and agree with you on different points. But nowhere did I go off about socialism and libs and libtards and imagine that I know who you are and what you stand for just because you disagree with me. I do think you need to think through some stuff better, but it seems like you think same of me--and you made me do it. REspect

Finally point. I underscore that I ain't thinking we need to live in a bubble the rest of our lives. But for those of you who keep bring up Spain, you clearly didn't follow the debagte when they had this think licked after locked down and then people started screaming about the economy and they let in the drunk tourists to their beaches and it blew up again in their faces. So we don't need to stay in a bubble, but if we could coordinate a bubble for 5-6 weeks we'd all be better off and not go infecting eachother serially

[JFC1]

3 minutes ago, Farmshine said:

I appreciate your response to my question. And that was why I asked. You never actually tested positive. Because you didn’t have access to a test in February and your test in late spring was negative. I do not doubt your symptoms but I’ve heard so many people say they had it in December or January or February but in actuality they were never tested. Either way, glad you fully recovered an be well.


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Yeah, I"ve heard the same..."I had it, I'm sure." Few of their stories stand up to the symptoms as per MDs. Taste/Smell is key, and none of the people who tell me they've had it talk about taste and smell, but reather a "killer flu". YOu can put me where you think it fits. There's no tests in Feb. Thanks

[archer36]

2 hours ago, JFC1 said:

I didn't have it a second time, but I had the serologic blood test for antibodies later this spring because I was hoping I could be one of those guys who thinks he won't get it again. CDC says no dice, even if they pick up antibodies. But in my case, there was no available test in February for me since I'm a working stiff. But my MD and all MDs consulted with then and now say my wife and I had it--I lost my sense of smell and taste BEFORE that was even publicized as a key symptom, spent some scary days as if a bear were hugging my chest even though I had no congestion of the sort you get with pneumonia even though I was breathing normally but it was as if I were at 16,000 feet with no O2 entering lungs, and then I couldn't really walk, breathe normally, go up stairs, or do any sort of physical activity for a month-6 weeks without breaking out in sweats and trembling or having to go back to bed for a day. The thing came and went like no flu--you feel like on death's door one day, then a few days later you imagine you're better from the 'flu,' and all of a sudden it socks you again. I never had anything like that in my life. And I'm healthy, middle aged, and strong as a bull. All this after catching a LONG flight out of Ethiopia to GErmany, where we stupidly tried to sleep during a lon layover in a long, enclosed hallway waiting for US flight while all the people were getting off their flights from China. I sat there thinking, "Look at those dumb masks. Is this stuff real? Should I be here? WHy are they so uptight about masks and isn't it ridiculous to see them walking around the city in masks?" And then I had the feeling I was being an idiot. But before we left for Africa it was just a blip on the radar of some old age home in WA and then we were in the bush, outta touch...Some of you will say I never had it, because my excellent but regular guy Dr. had no readily available access to testing (failure of US govt authorities since by Feb the President was recognizing privately the danger of COVID). Some of you will say I'm an idiot. Some of you will recognize why I keep on talking here on Woods n Water about importance of masks. In retrospect I think i was an idiot to sleep in that enclosed airway hallway filled with people straight outta China. And I think anyone who doubts the efficacy and importance of masks today is an idiot like I was.