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[flat9999]

Too lazy to look it up, but how much do you get back if you don't draw?

BTW - Seems that Colorado is up to their old tricks again.

[hammer4reel]

44 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

You're comparing the price of 6 weeks of fall bow(mid sept to the start of the rut, which sucks), and 5 days of turkey hunting to what I can do in PA for the entire seasons.  It would cost nearly $280 in NJ to buy all the deer permits and licenses to hunt the deer seasons, gun and bow, not including over $100 more to buy all the turkey permits in NJ to hunt turkey as long as I can in PA for nothing more than my initial $101.90 hunting license for small game and deer.  Added 26.90 for archery. 

For another $21.90 I can also hunt with muzzleloader in PA for all the mzlr seasons(I don't).  Costs 28 + 28 for buck stub here, $56. Doesn't matter if you didn't shoot a buck yet in NJ, you still have to pay $28 more for another buck stub to shoot one in each permit season, plus 28 for the permit and 10 for the rifle permit.

$128.80 total in PA gets me 12 days of rifle season(there are extended seasons), plus 17 days for 1 fall turkey, either sex, 10/27-11/10 and 11/22-24, and 5 weeks of spring turkey for another bird(toms only).  2 birds with hunting license.  Jersey costs $21 per 5 day segment (10 days if you take the last 2 week days) and you'll pay again for fall turkey. 

In NJ I hunt 14 days with the gun for 93.50.  Could hunt longer with the gun but it would cost me another $56. Gun seasons alone would put me at 149.50 in NJ.  PA's 128.80  also gets me an archery permit to hunt from Sept 29 to nov 12(thru the rut), and dec 26- jan 12.  In NJ, that would add 31.50 + 56 for extended permit.

 PA NR bear is 36.90, while NJ is talking about a $100 tag.

Don't forget I am comparing NR costs to Resident.  PA resident cost are so low compared to NJ it would make you cry out"RAPE"

Yes it's only one buck, but most are happy to get one buck in NJ.  I don't get the PA doe permit because I am forced to shoot 2 here in NJ under EAB.

That 32 bucks  for NJ archery license gets you a winter buck, and a early season buck.  If you want to hunt the rut for the 3rd one you mentioned it will cost you another 56.

Shoot a deer first week of bow season and all your math fails. 

You can buy an all around sportsman license here and hunt all those days even if your successful  in a few of those seasons .

I hunt pa as much as nj.

For the fees there in reality you get a Lot less for each dollar spent .

 

Your picking and choosing to make it appear cheaper .

Real terms it's not even close. 

 

[rocky]

9 minutes ago, flat9999 said:

Too lazy to look it up, but how much do you get back if you don't draw?

BTW - Seems that Colorado is up to their old tricks again.

New Mexico is better than most states. They charge a $13.00 application fee for each species and then the rest is refunded if you do not draw.

[Greybeard]

12 minutes ago, hammer4reel said:

Shoot a deer first week of bow season and all your math fails. 

You can buy an all around sportsman license here and hunt all those days even if your successful  in a few of those seasons .

I hunt pa as much as nj.

For the fees there in reality you get a Lot less for each dollar spent .

 

Your picking and choosing to make it appear cheaper .

Real terms it's not even close. 

 

I will agree we are reading from 2 different books.  I got 1 buck in NJ last year, and it cost me more to get it than it does when I get one in PA as a NR.  Plus I get to hunt 2 turkeys for the entire seasons at no extra cost, or having to apply for a segment.

I'm not putting a price on one buck shot the first day, but what I get out of hunting for it.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Greybeard

[Greybeard]

21 minutes ago, hammer4reel said:

 

 

Your picking and choosing to make it appear cheaper .

Real terms it's not even close. 

 

I gave you the full run down Of the costs and seasons I hunt.  Picking and choosing is saying you hunt 6 months for $32 for 3 bucks, and turkeys for 21, when you only get 5 days of turkey hunting  for 21, and can only hunt in January for 1 buck and mid Sept to the week before the end of Oct for another buck(both the worst times to hunt bucks) without paying another 56.  Left out gun seasons completely and said I had to pay 42 more to hunt turkey in PA.

[mazzgolf]

56 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

when you only get 5 days of turkey hunting  for 21

Don't forget, that isn't state-wide either... that's only per zone. Want to cross a zone boundary? Another 21. I spend over $100 in spring turkey permits (if I dare to add it up, its probably closer to 120).

[Stan Putz]

I've worked 2 jobs a year since college...when I was younger it was to get ahead of the game, now I'm getting old it's to fund my fishing & hunting addiction. Never had any interest in killing a sheep, but to each their own. But if someone wants something badly enough, they will usually find a way....

[mazzgolf]

10 minutes ago, Stan Putz said:

Never had any interest in killing a sheep

If I opted to go on that kind of hunt (and I think I would like to if I had the time and money), it wouldn't be to kill a sheep. It would be for the adventure of hunting in that kind of habitat and environment. To actually kill a sheep while doing it would just be the bonus on top.

Anyone who does that kind of hunting and spends that kind of money, I have to think isn't doing it just to kill something.

I would love to go out west and hunt in the kind of terrain they have. I don't have the money or time, and I'm afraid my body wouldn't be up to it... one day I might try it though, just to say I did it  

[hammer4reel]

6 hours ago, Greybeard said:

I gave you the full run down Of the costs and seasons I hunt.  Picking and choosing is saying you hunt 6 months for $32 for 3 bucks, and turkeys for 21, when you only get 5 days of turkey hunting  for 21, and can only hunt in January for 1 buck and mid Sept to the week before the end of Oct for another buck(both the worst times to hunt bucks) without paying another 56.  Left out gun seasons completely and said I had to pay 42 more to hunt turkey in PA.

 

NJ

27.50 gun license

31.50 bow license

2 .00 bear tag

21 spring turkey

21 fall turkey

103 ,  can shoot 4 bucks, 2 turkeys a bear ,, and unlimited does.

 

same seasons in Pa

101.90 hunting license

26.90 archery tag

36.90 bear tag

165.70  can shoot 1 buck , 2 turkeys, a bear and zero does.

 

.while I agree our turkey tags are $ you get to shoot a tom every week if you buy additional permits.

if you wanted another bird in Pa you have to buy the special tag before the season  at 41 .70., with a spring limit of 2

 

all our extra seasons are just that extra. No sunday bowhunting in Pa,. shorter winter season . extra week of gun season in PA IF you don't harvest your buck in bow season. Then you are done for the remainder of all the seasons 

Here you get to shoot bucks in every season .

while you may like hunting in Pa better, it IS NOT more for the same money, let alone half

 

and as far as September and End of October being a bad time to shoot a buck , come on.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by hammer4reel

[hammer4reel]

2 minutes ago, Buckeyes11 said:

Hammer u have to include zone permit and buck tags. Plus most people hunt multiple zones. 

Those are extra seasons with extra buck tags. you don't have to hunt those to compare to other states APPLES TO APPLES.

you cant add any Buck tags in PA. 1 and done.

 

Believe me I know the prices, I hunt three zones that touch here in NJ  less than a mile between them. ansd buy all the tags for them

But those are Optional seasons

Edited March 20, 2019 by hammer4reel

[hammer4reel]

1 minute ago, Buckeyes11 said:

Stop it with the optional seasons. EVERYONE buys extended bow. Unless u wanna save the 56$ to miss the rut

I hunt the rut out of state not in NJ.

I have shot my extended season buck well before the rut starts here year in year out.

adding extra season tags we have here your not eligible to hunt there isn't an accurate comparison.

that would be like me adding the price of gas to get to PA as  a fair comparison of actual cost to hunt.

 

.as I said , you can add every available tag Pa has to your license, you still only get 1 buck.

 

for each additional fee here , you get the extra season as well as a tag to shoot another buck

 

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[Greybeard]

3 minutes ago, hammer4reel said:

I hunt the rut out of state not in NJ.

I have shot my extended season buck well before the rut starts here year in year out.

adding extra season tags we have here your not eligible to hunt there isn't an accurate comparison.

that would be like me adding the price of gas to get to PA as  a fair comparison of actual cost to hunt.

 

.as I said , you can add every available tag Pa has to your license, you still only get 1 buck.

 

for each additional fee here , you get the extra season as well as a tag to shoot another buck

 

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Extended season starts when the rut starts here, last week of October, so you do spend another 56 to hunt the rut, $88.   PA, the bow season goes into the rut for $26.  And I can hunt turkey for 6-7 weeks included with the license for 2 birds, spring and fall,  not $21 for every 5 days .  I'm plenty happy with 1 buck and 2 birds. The hunting out there is far better.  Sure, I can shoot 2 here with the bow, 1 early season, and 1 in the winter, and 2 in the 6 days of shotgun without buying permits, but I don't.  I don't even see that many bucks in that time frame, and lately seen nothing during 6 day, and a couple scrub bucks during bow.  IDK, maybe you spend hundreds on bait to get a crack at a nice buck here.  PA, the bucks are still in the woods, not in yards in bait piles.  I don't hunt bear in either state, but that 2.00 permit is going to be short lived.  I wouldn't hunt doe in either state, but jersey makes you buy the doe permit first before buying a buck stub.  Totally opposite of what it used to be here, or how it is in PA.  Then they force EAB, or I can't hunt the first 2 weeks of bow, and I can't use my buck stub in a extended season if I don't get a doe first.  

What works for you doesn't work for me.  We hunt different seasons and for different reasons.  I stopped hunting extended shotgun, extended bow, and stopped buying a 2nd mzldr permit for another zone that's open on other dates, to cut out $168.  Still paying 117  to hunt deer 14 days here with the gun, and hunt fall bow during the worst dates compared to PA's dates.

[hammer4reel]

1 hour ago, Greybeard said:

Extended season starts when the rut starts here, last week of October, so you do spend another 56 to hunt the rut, $88.   PA, the bow season goes into the rut for $26.  And I can hunt turkey for 6-7 weeks included with the license for 2 birds, spring and fall,  not $21 for every 5 days .  I'm plenty happy with 1 buck and 2 birds. The hunting out there is far better.  Sure, I can shoot 2 here with the bow, 1 early season, and 1 in the winter, and 2 in the 6 days of shotgun without buying permits, but I don't.  I don't even see that many bucks in that time frame, and lately seen nothing during 6 day, and a couple scrub bucks during bow.  IDK, maybe you spend hundreds on bait to get a crack at a nice buck here.  PA, the bucks are still in the woods, not in yards in bait piles.  I don't hunt bear in either state, but that 2.00 permit is going to be short lived.  I wouldn't hunt doe in either state, but jersey makes you buy the doe permit first before buying a buck stub.  Totally opposite of what it used to be here, or how it is in PA.  Then they force EAB, or I can't hunt the first 2 weeks of bow, and I can't use my buck stub in a extended season if I don't get a doe first.  

What works for you doesn't work for me.  We hunt different seasons and for different reasons.  I stopped hunting extended shotgun, extended bow, and stopped buying a 2nd mzldr permit for another zone that's open on other dates, to cut out $168.  Still paying 117  to hunt deer 14 days here with the gun, and hunt fall bow during the worst dates compared to PA's dates.

I hunt both states as well as a few more in entirety. 

no need to bait bucks on their summer pattern, and by far the first week of our season here is the easiest to put a big buck on the ground.

point I made was you said you get more for half the fee, its not .

you want to compare all our season tags to just a basic license there, not apples to apples, as your comparing a 6 month hunting season here with liberal bag limits to a five week season there, .

def no comparison in the actual amount of time you get to hunt here .

And as I said that your not grasping IF you shoot a buck early in PA you lose all your time in the  deer woods there for the rest of the season . 

 

[Greybeard]

12 hours ago, hammer4reel said:

I hunt both states as well as a few more in entirety. 

no need to bait bucks on their summer pattern, and by far the first week of our season here is the easiest to put a big buck on the ground.

point I made was you said you get more for half the fee, its not .

you want to compare all our season tags to just a basic license there, not apples to apples, as your comparing a 6 month hunting season here with liberal bag limits to a five week season there, .

def no comparison in the actual amount of time you get to hunt here .

And as I said that your not grasping IF you shoot a buck early in PA you lose all your time in the  deer woods there for the rest of the season . 

 

Didn't say I get more in PA.  More land to hunt, yes.  Pay less there than I do here, yes.   Get to hunt the entire turkey seasons for 2 birds at no extra cost, yes.  I get the same out of hunting there as here.  It's what I take here or there, not what this state offers in quotas( with added costs) compared to there.  If I get a buck here on opening day, I am also done with the bow until winter bow.   You're looking at it from a different perspective than I am.

[archer36]

Bottom line is it's relatively cheap access to recreation in NJ.  Why split hairs. If you have time to hunt a lot and all seasons, it's well worth the money. If you only hunt a few days each season, It's relatively expensive. It's all relative.