Trespasser caught on cam

[Axiom]

If anybody knows this guy please tell him the owner of this property ( me ) doesnt really care what he is doing back there as long as he aint vandalizing anything or  doing anything illegal.. just leave my set up alone and take his empty beer containers with him when he leaves. Oh and i dont know if he is the guy who took some fire wood but if he is i think a nice  thank you for the fire wood axiom would be highly appropriate.. I wasnt going to use it so its not a big deal .

 

That is all...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BowhunterNJ]

Looks like a teenage kid to me, no? Is your property where you live or elsewhere? Maybe a neighbor?

[Axiom]

The property is across town from where i live ..He's not a teen and he's not one of the neighbor hood kids.. I have cam pics of everyone in the neigborhood tresspassing lol.... 

 

The town cops gave me a courtesy call call on Sunday and told me a group of young adults were hanging out and drinking at the property on Sunday,  Givin the date and time i assume this is one of them..  I asked the cops to leave them alone if they aint doing anything illegal.. Didnt know they had found my hunting spot..

[briarpatch]

So....he's a trespasser and a thief......and he's a nice guy?

[Axiom]

 

So....he's a trespasser and a thief......and he's a nice guy?

 

 

Didnt say he was a thief.. i dont know who took the fire wood..

 

And i dont know if he is a nice guy or not.. I would like to find out though

 

The property has a huge pond on it and folks fish there, thats the draw. And generally i dont say anything when i catch people i dont know hanging out..  Just dont want anyone screwing around with my corn piles..

[BowTechExperience]

"to leave them alone"... is in my view unwise. It perpetuates the idea that it is ok to tresspass. There are no consequences, so it is ok .Not saying have them sited but to not address it only reinforces a lack of respect shown towards someone else's property or possession.

 

 

 

Imagine you sitting in the blind, you have deer on the cam and are hunting that spot because that is where you are set up based on your cam feedback, all of a sudden one of these individuals strolls past your blind, would that be ok? Especially if you are the owner of the land paying through the nose taxes just to have Cool Breeze stroll through. Man I would not be so tolerant.

 

Damn, I'm upset for you and it is not my land...lol

 

Very sore subject for me..lol

Edited October 8, 2013 by BowTechExperience

[Axiom]

and prosecuting those who tresspass who are otherwise doing nothing wrong perpetuates this states " turn decent people into criminals " policy.. I hear what your sayin, but i think there is more harm than good done doing it your way.....

[BowhunterNJ]

I don't think anyone is saying prosecute...investigate first and determine if there is something that needs to be addressed (theft, etc). But simply allowing anyone to trespass on your property is kind of an open door policy to your personal property when there is no fear of any repercussions. Not to mention in this great state of NJ, if someone were to get hurt on your property (not far fetched considering the drinking habits you mentioned) and say something along the lines of "Axiom lets me on here and doesn't have a problem with it", then turns around and sues you because you allowed it to happen...well, you'll discover another side of NJ's "turn decent people into criminals" policy, except you'll be on the other side of it. Just my .02, but I'd be more inclined to protect myself and my property, than to just let anyone do what they want on it. It would be different if you didn't know and something happened, but here you are just neglecting to do anything about it. That could come back to bite you IMO.

[Haskell_Hunter]

He's the reason you aren't seeing any deer.  He's found your spot and has been whacking and stacking all the deer on your land!

 

Hello, fire, meet gas.  

[Axiom]

As far as i know, Unless i am chargeing someone a fee to use my property, i have NO liability for accidents UNLESS i CAUSED the injury.. Meaning i cant go and set bear traps all over and then tell someone yeah its safe go ahead and trample through the woods.. Thats the way i understand the law.. And i'm pretty  sure i'm correct

[Haskell_Hunter]

As far as i know, Unless i am chargeing someone a fee to use my property, i have NO liability for accidents UNLESS i CAUSED the injury.. Meaning i cant go and set bear traps all over and then tell someone yeah its safe go ahead and trample through the woods.. Thats the way i understand the law.. And i'm pretty  sure i'm correct

 

Don't be so sure.  The law is always about interpretation, and if someone sues you, it usually goes to arbitration where the lawyers make a lot of money and you end up paying the person who was trespassing.  This is NJ,the law never works in the law-abiding citizen's favor.

[Axiom]

He's the reason you aren't seeing any deer.

 

 

 

 I actually think you're right.. him and everyone else in the neighborhood.. Its been nice out so people have been out and about.. Trail cam shows deer feeding around 1am..

[BowhunterNJ]

You very well could be correct, but that doesn't mean someone won't try to sue you if they get hurt there. And you'll still have the legal battle and cost to contend with. Personally, I'd just try to minimize the risk and keep unwanted people off of my property. The "fee" based liability is interesting...I'm not sure if charging a fee is the only way you'd be liable. Are you saying if you gave me verbal permission and I got hurt stepping into a bear trap you set but didn't tell me about (we'll ignore the fact that setting a bear trap is illegal, let's assume it were legal)...I'd have no grounds to sue you for my medical bills because I didn't pay you a fee to enter your property?

[Axiom]

 Don't be so sure. The law is always about interpretation, and if someone sues you, it usually goes to arbitration where the lawyers make a lot of money and you end up paying the person who was trespassing. This is NJ,the law never works in the law-abiding citizen's favor.

 

 

 

I agree..  But, being a guy with a, shall we say, somewhat abrasive personality, i find myself in court alot over a veriaty of things.. I dont always hire a lawyer, in fact i seldom do.. dont need to and i NEVER settle in arbatration cause i'm never wrong.. The last time i went to court i was up against the second largest law firm in NJ..lol.. i kicked thier a$$ PRO SE....  ..Man did they look bad...

Edited October 8, 2013 by Axiom

[Haskell_Hunter]

I'm not very good with trespassing laws and landowner liability, I mostly know intellectual property and copyright stuff (not a lawyer, but I have to deal with the crap daily).  If you don't enforce your rights as a copyright holder, someone can hijack your trademark or materials and you won't have any recourse.  I'm not sure, but I would assume that if you do not enforce the boundaries of your property, you are condoning third-party usage of the land and might also assume liability in that case.  Just a guess.

 

I do remember one case that got a lot of attention.  A burglar was robbing a hardware store, tripped over a display in the store, and successfully sued the shop owner because the signage was built to code.  The argument was that he never would have hurt himself had it been.  This is of course while he was in the process of robbing the store.