Election Facts and Why We Should Keep the Electoral College

[kmtpr]

Whether Democrat, Republican or Independent, here's something to think about:

We hear a cacophony of blaring and bleating from the media and the Hillary supporters that she won the popular vote and therefore she should be president, 60,839,497 to 60,265,847. 47.8% to 47,3% with the remaining 4.9% going to the other candidates. But here is a more in-depth analysis:

Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC... 62% to her 19%. Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California. She won California 5,860,714 to his 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1% exclusive of the other candidates. Thus California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and their media supporters.

But deduct her California vote from her national vote, it leaves her with 54,978,783, and deduct Trumps California vote from his national total, it leaves him with 57,113,976, he wins in a landslide in the total for the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%.

So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College, to prevent the vote of any one populace state from overriding the vote of the others.

With our voter registration available when getting a driver's license combined with undocumented immigrants allowed driver's licenses we have no controls in place to keep non-citizens from voting.


So I ask you, frankly, do you REALLY want California voters to elect your presidents for you? Or any other heavily populated state? It would be like the tail wagging the dog.

[Batsto]

You can't let a few large populated states dictate outcomes and influence the political feelings of regional majorities. Our founding fathers had great wisdom and foresight. They were true products of the Age of Reason/Enlighnment.

[Haskell_Hunter]

The Electoral College was created to ensure the sovereignty of the states.  No one largely populated state would have a greater influence over the other states.  Many people forget that the US is a federation of states.

 

The analysis above demonstrates clearly why the EC is so important to preserving this federation.

[Bucksnbows]

Not only those good points, but elimination of the Electoral College would lead to a one party system overnight.  Most of us, Dems, Repubs and Independents alike would like to see more than just two major political parties.  Going to just the Democratic party would be a disaster for all Americans.  

 

In time, the left will succumb to the realization that Trump is their President just like those of us on the right had to deal with Obama's victories.  What nobody is talking about is how, as with Reagan's defeat of Carter in '80, the liberal movement has taken it in the ear for a good 15 or more years.  We may see a moderate Dem in office, but not a liberal for some time.  But I do believe libs will win in the end as they control our media and, far more importantly, our education system where they can form young minds to their political philosophy.  If we boom as an economy and aren't dragged into new wars we fight ad nauseum under Trump, the liberals will be kept at bay even longer... 

[mazzgolf]

far more importantly, our education system where they can form young minds to their political philosophy.

 

That is a concern, but I am not convinced this will be a major problem. Why? Because (I'll admit it) I was much more liberal in my younger days. Certainly coming out of college I was. But as I grew older, I also grew wiser   These young kids will eventually leave their bubble that has surrounded them entirely by safe spaces, liberal professors, and protests against "microaggressions" - they will enter the real world and talk to real people and encounter real problems (you know, like finding a job, working for a living, paying taxes) and realize that their ideology isn't all it's cracked up to be. I suspect they will tend to lose their rose-colored glasses and the naivete will wear off. As it says in the Bible, the scales will fall from their eyes

 

The control of the mainstream media has me more concerned, but the Internet has leveled that playing field a lot. Gone are the days when people got their news from one person (Cronkite) or only three broadcast news organizations.

 

As for the Electoral College - without it, California and New York would be electing our Presidents.

[stratocaster]

Not only those good points, but elimination of the Electoral College would lead to a one party system overnight.  Most of us, Dems, Repubs and Independents alike would like to see more than just two major political parties.  Going to just the Democratic party would be a disaster for all Americans.  

 

In time, the left will succumb to the realization that Trump is their President just like those of us on the right had to deal with Obama's victories.  What nobody is talking about is how, as with Reagan's defeat of Carter in '80, the liberal movement has taken it in the ear for a good 15 or more years.  We may see a moderate Dem in office, but not a liberal for some time.  But I do believe libs will win in the end as they control our media and, far more importantly, our education system where they can form young minds to their political philosophy.  If we boom as an economy and aren't dragged into new wars we fight ad nauseum under Trump, the liberals will be kept at bay even longer... 

I disagree on liking to see more than two major parties.  We now have a communist greenie candidate in Jill Stein wasting millions on a recount when even the sitting President said it was a fair election.  The only way the libs will win is if people cease to want to be free.  The conservative democrats of the past don't exist anymore, if they are not socialists, i don't know what they are. The only ones I know of are Manchin from WV and the vietnam vet senator from VA.  If you are not a really left wing democrat, you can't win.  Europe is now reaping what they have sown for years with ever increasing regulation, spending and open borders.  The EU is a failed liberal experiment on life support, which is why the Brits decided to Brexit and now France may elect its first conservative PM in decades.  The great social experiments are failing everywhere they've been tried beginning with the Soviet union.  Long may they be dead. 

[stratocaster]

The Electoral College was created to ensure the sovereignty of the states.  No one largely populated state would have a greater influence over the other states.  Many people forget that the US is a federation of states.

 

The analysis above demonstrates clearly why the EC is so important to preserving this federation.

Haskell, please stop reading the constitution and the amendments, my mind is starting to hurt.  I warned you about educating yourself.  You are a danger to all liberals in the room with your filthy common sense.  Group think is in so stop saying stuff like "the sovereignty of states", really, I almost believe you. 

[smoking gun]

That is a concern, but I am not convinced this will be a major problem. Why? Because (I'll admit it) I was much more liberal in my younger days. Certainly coming out of college I was. But as I grew older, I also grew wiser   These young kids will eventually leave their bubble that has surrounded them entirely by safe spaces, liberal professors, and protests against "microaggressions" - they will enter the real world and talk to real people and encounter real problems (you know, like finding a job, working for a living, paying taxes) and realize that their ideology isn't all it's cracked up to be. I suspect they will tend to lose their rose-colored glasses and the naivete will wear off. As it says in the Bible, the scales will fall from their eyes

 

The control of the mainstream media has me more concerned, but the Internet has leveled that playing field a lot. Gone are the days when people got their news from one person (Cronkite) or only three broadcast news organizations.

 

As for the Electoral College - without it, California and New York would be electing our Presidents.

rose colored glasses.lololololol

[Bully]

If you are young, and a conservative, you have no heart.

 

If you are old, and a liberal, you have no brain.

 

Or something like that.

 

C

[MRMCR]

Liberals heads are exploding more and more everyday......

[smoking gun]

Liberals heads are exploding more and more everyday......

they don't even know their liberal or what liberal means it's just attention seeking and trendy (hey look at me I'm a revolutionised and pissed off at society )