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#41 Male OFFLINE   hammer4reel

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Posted 02/13/13 - 03:09 AM

Yes, it is. You seem to be taking the word of one man versus an entire dept. Not to say that stuff doesn't happen, and "the man" is always right, but you're lending credibility on what grounds? Because he wrote a "manifesto?" Because he went "postal" so he must have had a good reason?
Is that actually your basis for justifying his actions? C'mon now, you have to be more realistic than that, you are from NJ aren't you? (LOL)

Look, people get fired, it happens all the time. Why does it have to be a big conspiracy every time something like this happens? The guy got fired, he couldn't handle it for whatever reason, and went nuts. Plain and simple.



I def was NOT taking his side, nor condoning anything he did. nor giving ANY credibility to what he did.
just stating that it was pretty obvious he was ok with dying for his beliefs.
so in his mind those beliefs had to be pretty strong, to push someone to become so extreme
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#42 Male OFFLINE   Palawman30

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Posted 02/13/13 - 04:02 AM

This piece of piece of shit was NEVER a cop. He was a police officer in name only for a VERY brief time. He was so bad he couldn't even get through his field training. To call this nut criminal a cop is a disservice to all those who have paid the ultimate price. He wasnt even a cop long enough to even know of any corruption or any other bullshit in his "manifesto" everyone wants to give so much credence to. Frank Serpico he wasn't. He was a wacko, plain and simple.
Let's see .... He was FIRED in 2008!
That means he had 4 long years to expose all these alleged wrong doings of the lapd. He didn't because they didn't exist. They were in his mind. It's called being a narcisscist.
To anyone and I mean anyone who can honestly defend this asshole and his murderous ways as a form of patriotism I say F U.... He's a murderer. He killed innocent people.
I can't believe people have that much hatred towards any LEO that murder of them and innocent persons is defended as long as the big bad police are outed and made to look bad. Give it a rest, it's tired and was left on the other site. A criminal is now dead and god willing hopefully spending his eternity burning in hell.
May god have mercy on the souls of his innocent victims.

To any person on this site who hates LEO's. I ask this of you...
Please please please block me. I have no use for you or any of the bs rantings you may find yourself on.
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#43 Male OFFLINE   Jeff M

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Posted 02/13/13 - 06:34 AM

Amen to that

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Posted 02/13/13 - 06:52 AM

I dont get what all the argueing is about Lets assume the guys manifesto is all true He is still just as much a murdering scumbag as if it were all false Civilians lives are as valuable as LEOs and vice versa

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Posted 02/13/13 - 07:09 AM

not as a person who was wronged by society .


I don't know hammer, that paper to be pretty supportive to me!
 
Should have read "appears" to be supportive.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 07:41 AM

There is no doubt in my mind that this guy felt very wronged by a system that he once admired, and there is a definite possibility that some of his accusations were true. Still no reason to kill anybody for it.
I am a realist, and know that there will probably be no further investigation into what really happened. I also know that the officers that shot at innocent people will probably not ever lose a days pay.
I will say this, simply dismissing this entire chain of events as the action/reaction of a madman will only result in it happening again. I, for one, find that to be no cause to celebrate.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 07:42 AM

I haven't seen the latest news, but did they get this guy?
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Posted 02/13/13 - 08:31 AM

Sounds like the guy may have burned alive in that cabin he was holed up in.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 08:33 AM

Yeah, just read it in another thread thanks Mac. Good to see it finally over.
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Posted 02/13/13 - 03:04 PM

I dont get what all the argueing is about Lets assume the guys manifesto is all true He is still just as much a murdering scumbag as if it were all false Civilians lives are as valuable as LEOs and vice versa


Why would you assume his manifesto is true? because its involves alleged wrongdoings of cops?
HE WASNT A COP LONG ENOUGH TO EVEN HAVE AN IOTA OF WHAT A COP EVEN DOES ON A DAILY BASIS....
It takes time on any job to physically see or hear of wrongdoings. I wouldn't condone any leo that's doing wrong. Its just not the case here.
What we have here is a NUT who was terminated rightfully BEFORE he even finished his field training right out of the academy for LYING during an investigation.
Why is it people take a fired proven liars word over others? This is the part that just doesn't make a lick of sense.

EVERY life is valuable cop or civilian.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 03:07 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that this guy felt very wronged by a system that he once admired, and there is a definite possibility that some of his accusations were true.


Wronged by a system he admired?
if he truly admired the system he wouldn't have LIED during his field training inquiry. He wouldn't have waited 4 YEARS to write a "manifesto". The way IAB is set up EVERYTHING and I MEAN EVERYTHING a cop does is under a microscope. These unfounded allegations were the rantings of a madman.
This dude was a nutjob who decided he was more important than those around him.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 03:12 PM

I def was NOT taking his side, nor condoning anything he did. nor giving ANY credibility to what he did.
just stating that it was pretty obvious he was ok with dying for his beliefs.
so in his mind those beliefs had to be pretty strong, to push someone to become so extreme


Do you know who else is "ok" with dying for their beliefs?
Jihadists, Christians, Americans, ALL of us....Dying for your beliefs is one thing, he was a murderer.

His "belief" was that his life was more important than those around him. He believed the voices in his head. He was an egocentric narcissist in the truest sense of the word.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 04:19 PM

Yeah Hammer! Everyone knows that in order to be a real cop you have to set people on fire.:popcorn:

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Posted 02/13/13 - 04:47 PM

Yeah Hammer! Everyone knows that in order to be a real cop you have to set people on fire.:popcorn:


Especially when the person "set on fire" has already shown an extreme propensity for violence by murdering 4 people and wounding what 2 others? and carjacking 2 others
being a real cop isn't always as pretty as you see on tv
the constitution is pretty cool is you ask me especially when it comes to apprehending known violent felons:up:

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Posted 02/13/13 - 04:52 PM

Why not just send in a drone to blow the house up....


I'm a big supporter of our law enforcement BUT I heard earlier on Fox News...

That on seen law enforcement formulating a plan to set a fire and then willfully burnt someones house down to the ground in order to kill a suspect, that is about as UN-just and UN-American as I can imagine....

That's NOT the way we deal out justice in this country. IMO there seriously needs to be a full federal investigation of all agencies involved as this is a serious criminal human rights violation.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 04:59 PM

Why not just send in a drone to blow the house up....


I'm a big supporter of our law enforcement BUT I heard earlier on Fox News...

That on seen law enforcement formulating a plan to set a fire and then willfully burnt someones house down to the ground in order to kill a suspect, is about as UN-just and UN-American as I can imagine....

IMO There need to be a full federal investigation of all agencies involved as this is serious a criminal human rights violation


And this is where personal feelings and YOUR COUNTRIES laws differ. Take a look at the laws governing deadly force concerning already known to be violent fleeing felons.

My guess is you would probably feel just a little different if it was your son or daughter that was murdered by this nut.... or you were maybe one of the cops exchanging gunfire with him.

The real investigation should be how he was permitted to leave the academy and get to the field training stage.

If your a real LEO supporter as you say then put yourself in the shoes of the leos on scene. Would you let him escape again? especially with knowledge that he will kill again?

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Posted 02/13/13 - 05:08 PM

And this is where personal feelings and YOUR COUNTRIES laws differ. Take a look at the laws governing deadly force concerning already known to be violent fleeing felons.

My guess is you would probably feel just a little different if it was your son or daughter that was murdered by this nut.... or you were maybe one of the cops exchanging gunfire with him.

The real investigation should be how he was permitted to leave the academy and get to the field training stage.

If your a real LEO supporter as you say then put yourself in the shoes of the leos on scene. Would you let him escape again? especially with knowledge that he will kill again?

I see your emotions are doing your reasoning for you... give me a break.... this ain't some bad movie with a 50's style pitch fork mob... in America we don't burn down someones private home to kill a suspect.... and if you can't see the wrong in that decision, then perhaps one should wonder how someone like you made it out of the academy to.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 05:12 PM

I dont condone what he did but there does seem to be a lot of shenanigans involved with this case. Fox news had a former fbi director on set and he stated the last thing the police will do is execute this guy because it then looks like they are trying to cover something up. Well what happened? This man is obviously cuckoo but as a spectator you must see that there are two sides to every story. Im sure underfire i would have reacted similarly to thwart the threat. Leos see this event in a different light because they are able to put themselves into a similar scenerio.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 05:16 PM

your talking out of both sides of your mouth... give me a break.... this ain't some bad movie with a 50's style pitch fork mob... in America we don't burn down someones private home to kill a suspect.... and if you can't see the wrong in that decision, then perhaps one should wonder how someone like you made it out of the academy to.


I actually don't see the "wrong" it to apprehend a known to be violent murder. first rule of is to use deadly force.
Ask all these LEO's you claim to support what they would do.
For the record I type exactly as I talk. Straight forward.

Also if you really want to get technical the house was dismantled before being burned.

Trust this we all see just how much you support law enforcement and the laws their sworn to uphold in your very own writings. You expect leos to get popped while waiting for the bad guy to just give up after murdering 4 and shooting 2 others after being talked out.

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Posted 02/13/13 - 05:21 PM

Leos see this event in a different light because they are able to put themselves into a similar scenerio.


And for those here that know me personally know that Im a been there done and still doing it person with the tract record to prove it.
This nut in cali would have killed and kept killing if he wasn't stopped by any means necessary.

What exactly do you believe needed to be "covered up" by leos out there?




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