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#21 OFFLINE   BowhuntingJersey

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Posted 01/04/14 - 10:00 AM

PV216 my buddy killed that buck and it's father the year before. I'd say the first is about 155 and actually that buck you have the pic of was 139 and change gross. I passed him at 50 yards. I thought he was bigger too. The main beams are actually really shorter then they looked. Still a great buck!!! Did you ever the buck he was running with that year?

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Posted 01/04/14 - 11:06 AM

I guess your buddy is Scott Borden bc he's the one who killed him in January of that season. I coulda sworn the buck scored higher than 139 gross but again I'm probably wrong. I remember you saying that I wasn't the only one hunting him on njh. Regardless of score, it was a nice deer. Congrats to the hunter.
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#23 Male OFFLINE   Palawman30

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Posted 01/04/14 - 11:28 AM

I would not take that shot at all with any weapon. There is absolutely no way any person NEEDS a deer that bad to justify such a low percentage shot. To much can go wrong. Maybe if I had never killed a deer in my life it would be possible but even then I knew better


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#24 Male OFFLINE   Palawman30

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Posted 01/04/14 - 11:31 AM

well, only 2.. and the only 2 i've ever lost.. both does... But whether or not the shots were taken at high percentage areas wouldnt have mattered.. The first loss was because i didnt properly break in a new string i had just put on my x-bow.. The string was still stretching and caused an error in my scope calibration... The second was because the deer moved on release..   Bad hits and lost game as a result of those two situations is a probable no matter where your intended  target area is.... I hear you with regards to the sternum and do believe and arrow wouldnt go exactly where you hoped it would if it contacts it.. But, from what i can tell,  the sternum sits pretty low on the body and is rather apparent, a hit right above it looks like it would sever a bunch of Blood vessels, pop a lung or 2 and put a hole in the liver.. Some say you can add guts to that list..  I cant see anything going to far with that kind of wound.. Granted you did lose one but, like you said it was deflected and so probably didnt slice much that mattered...

 

 

Losing 2 in a year probably means you should concentrate on short high percentage shots even if they are ONLY DOE....... :cupcoffee:  :)


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Posted 01/04/14 - 11:42 AM

 

Losing 2 in a year probably means you should concentrate on short high percentage shots

 

I got no problem with "short", almost all the shots i take are well within 20 yards and nothing more than 30....My fist lost doe was shot with the x bow at about 30 yards, the second was with the compound at about 10 yards...... but, what exactly  a "high percentage" shot is,  is at issue..


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Posted 01/04/14 - 11:54 AM

I got no problem with "short", almost all the shots i take are well within 20 yards and nothing more than 30....My fist lost doe was shot with the x bow at about 30 yards, the second was with the compound at about 10 yards...... but, what exactly  a "high percentage" shot is,  is at issue..

 

 

A "high percentage" shot is one where you know with relative certainty that you are going to actually kill the animal you are shooting at and not hope you do or guess you will....

Those are called "Pot Shots" :stirring:  :cupcoffee:


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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:01 PM

I would think high is broadside with more of a chance to hit vitals . If you put a paper plate over the vitals on a broadside you hit any where on that plate n you will likely have a dead deer. Now the deer is now frontal put that sme plate on him now your only window is center up to bout 12:00. From 3-9 that is a miss or wounded deer IMO .
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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:07 PM

 but, what exactly  a "high percentage" shot is,  is at issue..

 

 

there is no question a full frontal shot is far from "high percentage"



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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:15 PM

Well i cant disagree with that Pal... thats why i'm having a problem with a straight up frontal shot being considered  "low percentage" by some ..  Though i've never taken one from that angle, it seems like it would be a good place to put an arrow if you 1) know where the little hole Matty spoke of is or  better yet 2) you aim a little above the sternum in a area that looks to be about the size of a softball.. About the same size target area you have when aiming for the heart..And thats a shot most of you will take and consider a "High Percentage" target area.. sure, any deviation from that area will probably result in a wounded and lost deer but, if aiming for the heart from a quartering away position or broad side or whatever, the same holds true.. Any deviation could very well result in a wounded and lost deer.. so whats the difference?


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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:17 PM

Should YOU take a full frontal shot? From what I know about you...you shouldn't even be allowed in the woods with any weapon.

The only full frontal shot you should get is on your face in a gay porn...
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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:22 PM

Should YOU take a full frontal shot? From what I know about you...you shouldn't even be allowed in the woods with any weapon.

The only full frontal shot you should get is on your face in a gay porn...

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

OUCH!!!! :crazylol:  :letsparty: 


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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:24 PM

Well i cant disagree with that Pal... thats why i'm having a problem with a straight up frontal shot being considered  "low percentage" by some ..  Though i've never taken one from that angle, it seems like it would be a good place to put an arrow if you 1) know where the little hole Matty spoke of is or  better yet 2) you aim a little above the sternum in a area that looks to be about the size of a softball.. About the same size target area you have when aiming for the heart..And thats a shot most of you will take and consider a "High Percentage" target area.. sure, any deviation from that area will probably result in a wounded and lost deer but, if aiming for the heart from a quartering away position or broad side or whatever, the same holds true.. Any deviation could very well result in a wounded and lost deer.. so whats the difference?

 

 

The difference is a front shot and miss is a definite wounded deer...

The side shot and miss could still be lungs or liver...if your consistently missing those areas no need to really be in the woods.

 

Even if it is "ONLY A DOE"


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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:32 PM

The side shot and miss could still be lungs or liver

 

 

sure it "could be".. Maybe... it all depends on which way the arrow deviated.. But the same holds true with a straight up frontal too IMO...  And might i also add, it seems an errant shot from the front is MORE likely, because of the narrow profile, to result in a clean miss vs broad side ...


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Posted 01/04/14 - 12:35 PM

 

Should YOU take a full frontal shot? From what I know about you...you shouldn't even be allowed in the woods with any weapon.

The only full frontal shot you should get is on your face in a gay porn...
 

 

 

 

 I see you got a photo of your BF " sugar britches" as your Avatar... Nice package eh?.. :rofl:


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Posted 01/04/14 - 01:30 PM

Honestly it sounds like you wanted to take the shot all along and you were only looking for "advice" that coincides with that decision.

 

You're a grown man, you can shoot a deer wherever you want. If you think aiming for the small hole where the esophagus enters the body cavity is a high percentage shot that you can make all the time, go ahead. It leads to vital organs, even if it is heavily shielded by bones and offers very little margin of error.

 

Just remember that several fellow bowhunters warned you that it's not a high percentage bow shot and that it can result in poor blood trails or deflected arrows that end with wounded, lost deer.

 

I don't know about you, but wounded, lost deer to me are a torturous nightmare. Doe or buck I usually want to quit hunting I feel so bad. That's why I do everything in my power not to let that happen. I think everyone that hunts should.


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Posted 01/04/14 - 02:08 PM

 

Honestly it sounds like you wanted to take the shot all along and you were only looking for "advice" that coincides with that decision

 

well, not exactly... As i was watching those 2 deer faceing me head on..and with the final seconds of legal shooting time ticking down the thought did cross my mind..  But it was just a thought, nothing more.... because i never contemplated it before and so wasnt sure how it might turn out.. I dont like wounding and losing  animals anymore than anyone else does.... But now that i've researched the issue, listened to those with more experience who have tried it, and looked at the animals anatomy from that angle, I've pretty much come to the conclusion its not as "high percentage" a shot as the lung area but, If thats all the deer wants to give you, it seems to be just as easy to hit, and just as effective as the Heart would be from a different angle.. And i know most of you aim for the boiler room alot and forgo the good ol' dependable double lunger .....


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Posted 01/04/14 - 02:39 PM

it seems to be just as easy to hit..... AS WHAT

 

 

the two deer that you've already lost?



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Posted 01/04/14 - 11:20 PM

it seems to be just as easy to hit..... AS WHAT.. :loco:

 

 

 

AS THE HEART!!!..  :smoking:  :smoking:


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Posted 01/04/14 - 11:42 PM

I wonder what percentage shooting at a turkey with the bow compares to that shot? or a rabbit or a squirrel? that must be some crazy unethical shooting right there.

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Posted 01/05/14 - 01:04 AM

The best way to think about that shot is taking a paper plate and cutting a strip out 1" wide from the middle to the top of the plate. Put that on a target and that's what you need to hit 100% of the time. Unfortunately the unknowns you add to that are a bobbing head and moving deer. So instead of hanging the cutout from the plate on your target, tie it to a string about 3' long and try to hit it 100% of the time.

A broadside or a quartering shot gives the shooter a more generous horizontal and vertical shooting zone and are the preferred shots to take. A head-on shot is very, very narrow, and you lose at least 50% or more vertical area too. In Hollywood you'd make that shot every time, in reality, probably not as much.

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