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#81 Male OFFLINE   Kype

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Posted 12/06/17 - 07:50 PM

there are a lot of good, easy going police officers. and understand that its hunting season and your not a criminal of any sort. 

 

sucks you had such a crappy situtation though. however, you did not, what so ever, need to show your firearms ID card. the ID card is soley to purchase a firearm. not posses one. a hunting license would be the only thing you needed. and obviously a drivers license, reg, insruance. 

 

i agree, its a shame the world we live in these days. cant even grab a cup of coffee after a hunt (on the way to work no matter) and not be harrassed. because everyone thinks firearms are the devil. 


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Posted 12/06/17 - 08:05 PM

Troublemaker :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

 

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Posted 12/06/17 - 08:35 PM

however, you did not, what so ever, need to show your firearms ID card. the ID card is soley to purchase a firearm. not posses one. a hunting license would be the only thing you needed. and obviously a drivers license, reg, insruance. 

 

Are you suuuuure?? I'm telling you, it is incorrect to say "the FID is solely to purchase a firearm, not to possess one." This is a myth.

 

Read the statute I quoted earlier (2C:39-5). 2C-39-5(c.) clearly indicates it is used to show legal *possession* (the word "possession" is right in the law itself):

 

2C:39-5(c.)   Rifles and shotguns.  (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

 

You only do not need an FID *IF* you are possessing/transporting under the exemptions (the word "exemption" is what they use - and it literally means you are exempt from showing a FID if you are in certain situations - that is what 2C:39-6 "Exemption" section is all about - this is where you are exempt from showing an FID if going directly to/from hunting, directly to/from range, and a bunch of other things).

 

I suggest if folks haven't done so - read 2C:39-5 and 2C:39-6 - they are here:

 

http://lis.njleg.sta...ish:10.1048/Enu

 

GG NEEDED to show his FID card because he was NOT transporting as per the exemptions - he was NOT going directly to home from hunting (he went to his work at a jobsite after hunting). That did NOT adhere to the exemption 2C:36(f)(3)(a) ("Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing") and thus he needed to show his FID card or he would have be in violation of the law because his travel did not "include only deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances".



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Posted 12/06/17 - 08:52 PM

It's going to get worse next 8 years . No private transfers , ar will be gone asap, no more ordering ammo.

It's going to get bad.
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Posted 12/06/17 - 09:13 PM

​"and thus he needed to show his FID card or he would have be in violation of the law because his travel did not "include only deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances"

 

​Show us the Statute that's says his travels did not "include only deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances".. The man had to go to work... That to me seems reasonable and necessary.. Especially in the high tax state of NJ

 

The law is subjective and / or ambiguous.. How can law abiding citizens possibly not run afoul of such legislation.. Answer?... You cant.. Several people in this thread have already incriminated themselves.. A lot of you are unintended felons who never got caught.. Which, IMO the law was designed to do.. in other words, the law wants you to be in possession of a fire arm at your own risk, and at the mercy of the state government.. 


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Posted 12/06/17 - 09:13 PM

It's going to get worse next 8 years . No private transfers , ar will be gone asap, no more ordering ammo.

It's going to get bad.

 

We can only hope it's not 8 years. Maybe with all of the #metoo hub-bub and all the woman coming out of the woodwork claiming sexual harassment against everyone, including politicians, maybe our new guy has some skeletons in the closet just waiting to be exposed?  :hmmmer:


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Posted 12/06/17 - 10:29 PM

Firearms ID card?  You are not required to carry that when in possession of a firearm.  That is the law in NJ.  It used to say possess but they were forced to remove it by the courts.  I never carry mine unless I am going to buy ammo or a firearm so they are not allowed to ask you for it.

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Posted 12/06/17 - 10:56 PM

Mike,

 

THIS is a prime example of why I moved out of state. I miss some of my friends, but I don't miss the never-ending BS in that state.

 

After 47 years, I'd about lost my patience with liberals & stupid people.


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Posted 12/07/17 - 12:21 AM

 
sucks you had such a crappy situtation though. however, you did not, what so ever, need to show your firearms ID card. the ID card is soley to purchase a firearm. not posses one. a hunting license would be the only thing you needed. and obviously a drivers license, reg, insruance. 

100 percent incorrect. Read the statutes, all of them including those in the Administrative Code that covers firearms and weapons possession

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Posted 12/07/17 - 08:56 AM

I would think the officer already knows everything about you before they step out of the car. They know if you have a hunting license and or FID card, just like they know if you have a driving license, but your still require to have the physical license with you. So just keep the FID in the glove compartment, just in case.

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Posted 12/07/17 - 12:01 PM

I offered my hunting license , then they wanted my drivers license (to confirm my I.d. ) then my firearms i.d. card. Everything checked out.
I was 100% legit. So no issues...like I mentioned in original post, the cops were pretty cool about it and we actually joked around a little bit. My grip or disbelief is with the general public and how things have changed over the years...what will it be like in another 30 or 40 years ?!?!

 

I thought you didn't have to show your FID Card unless you are purchasing a firearm


Edited by Ms Grit, 12/07/17 - 12:01 PM.

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Posted 12/07/17 - 12:04 PM

 

The law is subjective and / or ambiguous.. How can law abiding citizens possibly not run afoul of such legislation.. Answer?... You cant.. 

Bingo!


Edited by Nomad, 12/07/17 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 12/07/17 - 04:39 PM

If I have a gun with me, I have my FPID card with me, for sure. I even have a copy of the purchase permit tucked into each of my handgun cases for travel to the range. 



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Posted 12/07/17 - 08:10 PM

my firearms ID CARDS READ THIS at the top "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser Identification Card" no where on this cards does it say "Firearm transportation Card" 

 

 I have been stopped by a police officer while transporting a firearm. and I simply said that, "I have a cased firearm , with ammo in the glove compartment" officer then asked where I was going. I said the range. he asked what firearm I have. I told him. he gave me a warning for not wearing a seat belt. and we went our separate ways.  not once did he ask me for my Firearms Purchaser ID card .

 

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Posted 12/07/17 - 08:13 PM

Well I think it had less to do with the gun case and more to do with how sketchy he looks!!! Lol J/K!!! It's amazing how some people can't mind their own!!! Lol
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Posted 12/07/17 - 08:20 PM

maybe in my previous post i shouldnt have said in possession, but instead have said in transport? 


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Posted 12/07/17 - 09:10 PM

my firearms ID CARDS READ THIS at the top "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser Identification Card" no where on this cards does it say "Firearm transportation Card" 

 

 I have been stopped by a police officer while transporting a firearm. and I simply said that, "I have a cased firearm , with ammo in the glove compartment" officer then asked where I was going. I said the range. he asked what firearm I have. I told him. he gave me a warning for not wearing a seat belt. and we went our separate ways.  not once did he ask me for my Firearms Purchaser ID card .

 

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You have to pay attention to the nuance of the law - particularly the "exemptions". You were not asked for the FID card because you were UNDER THE EXEMPTION and thus were exempted from needing to show an FID. Why? You said you were going directly to the range - you were under this exemption 2C:39-6 (f)(3)(b.):

 

2C :39-6  Exemptions.

      f.   Nothing in subsections b., c., and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent:

         (3)   A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:

            (b.)   Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or

 

Read that first part of the exemption again - "Nothing in 2C:39-5 b, c, or d prevents you" ... from transporting a firearm directly to a range.

 

So, what is this 2C:39-5 (c.) section they are referring to ??? This:

 

c.   Rifles and shotguns.  (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

 

The law right there says "possession" in relation to "firearms purchaser identification card" (so right there debunks the theory that the FID is only used for purchasing).

 

But read your FID card - forget the title on the card - it is misleading. On my card at least (which was issued in 1999), it says in small print:

 

"This is to certify that ....<my name and address>... is hereby granted permission to purchase and carry rifles and shotguns pursuant to provisions of NJS 2C:58-3 and 2C:39-5 with amendments and supplements.

 

Again, right on the very card itself, it says it grants me legal rights "to carry" in addition to purchase. Again, showing this FID card is MORE THAN just for purchasing.

 

If you told that police officer that you were, for example, going shopping or going to work or something like that, he would have asked if you had an FID because in that case you were not under any of the 2C:39-6 exemptions and thus immediately would become under suspicion of violating 2C:39-5(c.) - if you had no FID card, you would be violating that statute of possessing a rifle or shotgun with having an FID (it says "without first obtaining" - but how do you prove to the officer you obtained it without having it on your person? Good luck pleading that case to him. Have the FID on your person to prove you have it).

 

If you own a gun in NJ, you owe it to yourself to at least read the statutes (NJS) and the admin codes (NJAC) related to owning and transporting firearms. It might just help you avoid some major hassles like what could have happened to GG if he didn't have his FID card on him.

 

Oh, and lest someone mention this, EVERYTHING I said above relating to an FID card IS FOR LONG GUNS ONLY. Handguns are a different beast in NJ. FID is ONLY relevant when dealing with rifles and shotguns (and of course buying ammo - ignore that for now). If you have a handgun, doesn't matter if you have an FID or not when it comes to possession/carrying/transporting. BTW: going directly to/from range with a handgun is OK because that fits the same exemption I mentioned above - the statute making handgun possession illegal is 2C:39-5 (b.) and that's one that you are exempt from in 2C:39-6 (f)(3)(b.).

 

Again, read the statutes and at least be somewhat familiar with them or you may do something that gets you in trouble. I'm not claiming I know half of the guns laws in this state - but I do know the basics - and that includes I do know I want my FID with me as I'm transporting my long guns in case I have to deviate from my travels in the car.



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Posted 12/07/17 - 10:41 PM

maybe in my previous post i shouldnt have said in possession, but instead have said in transport?

How can you transport something without possessing it ? Read the statutes, it's clearly in there. The statutes covering weapons, firearms, and possession are in three places, 2C:58, 2C:39, AND Title 13 of the NJ Administrative Code. Firearms ID Card has a whole section in Title 13. All three are law and must be adhered to. Period, end of story.

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Posted 12/08/17 - 05:37 AM

Here's a scenario for ya. 15 yr old kid gets on his bike with a cased shot gun to go to his hunting spot. (Perfectly legal) dad is not home and on his way home his mother stops to pick him up puts bike in truck and stops for dinner as she intended. Gets pulled over on way home. Mom doesn't have n fid doe technically is in violation of the law. Stupid and didn't go any where but could have.

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Posted 12/08/17 - 08:08 AM

I'm so glad I moved out of NJ. It's so ridiculous about the whole FID thing and transporting a firearm. I literally have a .22 revolver in my glove box, a Glock 19 in my center console, a .380 in my back pocket and a lever gun in my back seat right now. If I were to get stopped right now the cops here would ask if I saw any deer and tell me about their season. No big deal in America.
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