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State to stock 10K fewer birds!


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#41 Male OFFLINE   buckfever1974

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Posted 10/12/17 - 07:48 AM

Towards the middle of the season last year when it was clear that they were putting out fewer birds, a cackle in one area of the field would send guys on a sprint to be the first ones there.  Any cluster of shots was like opening the doors at Walmart on black Friday.  By the time you picked up your bird, what was an empty field turned into orange polk-a-dots.  


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#42 OFFLINE   GhostBear

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Posted 10/12/17 - 09:17 AM

Well, that's sorta always been that way, even when they where stocking close to 60K birds, but it's gotten worse since the bird numbers started to decline, the last few seasons I've seen people fighting over a shot bird, hell one thanksgiving I had no less than 4 guys shoot birds off Attila, that weren't hunting with me, I never even got the chance to even raise my gun! Then another time I shot and folded a bird only to have a guy run up, grab it and run away!! Lol that's when I started hunting either later in the day or on non stocking days, but last season was the worst I ever saw it, now this year they're down more than 10K birds?! What's it going to be next year? Or the year after, guys who buy stamps for the most part are not complaining about how far they have to drive like the state thinks, for years as I hunted and ran into folks the main gripe was there's no frigging BIRDS! Lol, all I ever hear. And with the low numbers this year you are gonna hear it more and more, shame it was great as little as 6 years ago, not so much now.

Adding new WMA's and stocking places like Along the Delaware, and adding birds to pequest is a great idea, but would've been better had the raised more birds to cover it rather than take them away from the other WMA's, I live within 40min of THREE WMA's that got shorted some 3-4K birds total, that's going to piss a lot of guys off, and cause more fighting over the few remaining birds, with gas prices as they are, no one is driving over an hour to hunt birds that will be wiped out the first 5 minutes of shooting.

Edited by GhostBear, 10/12/17 - 09:19 AM.

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#43 OFFLINE   MS22

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Posted 10/12/17 - 09:58 AM

This is just hearsay...but supposedly they had a failure of their own chicks(a really stupid error)...and then 2 failures of chicks bought from outside pheasant farms. After hearing that, I was surprised they have pheasants at all this year....Because as each failure happened, the amount of available birds from outside farms reduced and probably became more expensive. also, there is supposedly a new manager at rock port. Not sure how much that would play into it, but hopefully they get their shit together for next year.
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#44 Male OFFLINE   Mink

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Posted 10/12/17 - 10:14 AM

Not sure if those reports are true but I can say the birds they released for training were SUPER wary and acted much like wild birds! Looking forward to the season!


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#45 Male ONLINE   1957Buck

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Posted 10/12/17 - 11:53 AM

Nothing new on complaints and bashing NJDFAG One would think with the countless years of Producing Game Birds and Fish they would have it down pat. From years of Snow collapsing wire roofs at game farms to escaping birds. Diseases Failures they created with bad decisions. Natural and Man-Made.    

I remember one Thanksgiving at Round Valley that not ONE SHOT was fired that day leaving many pissed off that they announced a stocking but obviously they did not. Same at Collingswood one day I did not hunt but went to watch the action stood with a Warden when the time came and the hunters advanced again Not ONE SHOT was heard as I left I passed other parking areas and the same stories were told Where The F*$@ are the Birds. 

On the Trout, front been there and saw and heard complaints on few to no fish or the sizes stocked from 6-7 in fish.  

The fact there are Honey Holes that are taken care of by the Stockers. I learned that many years ago on the Flat Brook. 

As far as Deer and Bear they are managed by Farmers that feed them year round. 

Seems Costs go up quality goes down.  The goal of NJDFAG is raising Cash with Licencing with means of hunting and from types of Firearms to ways of hunting.  

Hunters were fewer seasons were fewer Bag limits less  Game was Bountiful as there was more open land to hunt.

Now with The generous seasons 100 days for Deer. Turkey- Bear- Geese added and almost a free-for-all on the Means and ways of hunting now Higher Licences The quality is down and the Complaining is up. Who should be held accountable???

I was blessed with many years of Hunting -Fishing when Game was plentiful Grouse- Woodcock Rabbits- Pheasants- were the norm Deer was 6 days, success was scattered one had to Actually Hunt them, with Shotgun buckshot and Bow.     

Why was there less Complaining during those years. When I hear Hunter numbers are down.  Some say less Land - fewer Birds - Less Deer. fewer breeds of Trout.  Bad decisions.  

Many may not get or understand this but keep in mind it is not Opinion but Facts.    Good Luck to all.



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Posted 10/12/17 - 12:25 PM

Plenty of birds for those who want to hunt. If you put your time in you are duly rewarded. I don't know why the state posts numbers or even stocking days for that matter.( if you ever hunt wild birds out west you don't see anything about numbers) People only get their shorts in knot thinking they will go home empty handed. At 40 bucks, the stamp is a bargain for those who truly like to hunt pheasant. In the past I have seen a few double up( whittingham) or even triple up(Flatbrook) on bag limits because of easy pickings close to the parking lots, when questioned you get the old "I gotta get my money's worth"  now, that is something to complain about. 


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#47 Male OFFLINE   Mixbaghunter

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Posted 10/12/17 - 02:39 PM

Like I have said before I have hunted black River for 20 year last year was the worse year ever .now before anybody says any thing I am usually the last one to leave. I hunt with my dog or on my own. Like said before if they wanted to send more bird to other places that's fine .but sould have raised more birds . There where days that there should have stocked but no birds at all. The state is going to loose alot on guys if it does not change. I have to work more this year and with the word of less birds I my not buy a stamp. Black River also famous for over shooting and before light. Guys walking around before light trying to shoot bird in trees. They need to get the Warden in there and clean it out. I have seen him in parking lot but not in the field.
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#48 Male ONLINE   1957Buck

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Posted 10/12/17 - 04:21 PM

Want Quality Pheasant Hunting  For $375,00 membership than pay as you go Standard hunt $138. 3 birds Single hunter $174. 3 birds any birds over $12. each. Want them cleaned $3.25 each.

Member hunts multi hunters  10 bird Minimum $26. each.

 

Check out "Game Creek" my numbers may be off. so do your research.

 

Did not call but my experience with these Game Farm is Membership ( FUll ) select days for open hunting only. 

 

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#49 Male ONLINE   1957Buck

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Posted 10/12/17 - 04:37 PM

Just talked to Cranberry Hall Farm Cookstown, NJ. 609-694-7069

They sell Live Pheasants and Chuckers. 

Pheasant Males $11,75 Females $10.75 

 

No Minimum 1 on up.      No need for Hunting to enjoy them. 

 

Why can they Raise and sell at this price make a profit and The NJDFAG has a problem Once saw a claim on what it cost them and was very close.  



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Posted 10/12/17 - 04:37 PM

I think ones perspective is based on if your area was helped or hurt with the new pheasant allocation and how many years you have been hunting. The numbers don't lie, there will be a 50% reduction in birds at many WMA's in north Jersey compared to 2015 numbers.  With fewer birds the state has increased the areas that they stock.  The state should take another look at their stocking practices, reduce the areas they stock, do away with 1 of the mid week days.   Stop putting birds out in the first field from the parking lot, this would be a start.  For me its all about bird density, or flushes per hour.  

 

I am not a big bird killer, I like to work the dog, if he does everything right I will shoot the bird.  If he doesn't I let the bird fly, pick it up later or let someone else have at it. For me it's not about what you kill, ground shooting, or out of trees, or banging away at a passing bird is dangerous and turns my stomach.  But I would like the dog to have a reasonable number of bird contacts.  I look at the bigger picture of Upland hunting in NJ, there are somethings that should be addressed.   The cover in the north should be improved, mowing lanes through the nasty stuff is BS hunting and dangerous.  I cant get into most dog training areas preseason, they don't mow them out and there isn't a good field to work near the parking lot. Can anyone tell me why do we have a Grouse and Partridge season? 

 

I live 10 minutes from Clinton, I can't train there and I don't like to hunt there and last year the bird numbers where down a lot.  So I travel one to two hours each way to hunt, some days I pass 3/4 WMA's.  Along with everything I said I just get pissed off with stupid stuff the state dose, Why would you plant that much Sorghum in the dog training area at Pequest, you cant walk though it? Why would you stock fields that are on the road or around homes or in a safety zone?  

 

I'll end it here and take the dogs out for a run, Good luck everyone enjoy the season!!!



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Posted 10/12/17 - 05:38 PM

My issue is simply this, when the stamp was $20 they where able to consistently release over 60k birds, then some years it was 56K, and there were plenty holding over for guys that hunted non stock days or the afternoon, now the stamp $40, and they can bearly make 50k? And now I'm hearing they can't even raise birds anymore? Like they forgot how? And now this season it's only 45k, they had better get thier act together. Or they are gonna get an ear full fro ticked of hunters, when your buying a stamp numbers count, for one simple fact is you can't hunt what isn't there, especially is they are wiped out in the first 5 min.
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Posted 10/12/17 - 06:42 PM

A little off topic but I will say this until I'm blue in the face. The state needs to stop announcing the stocking days! That's the only way the experience and safety factor will improve. Stock the same amount of birds per week, but pick a random day and time out of the 7 days in a week and the first light firing squads will end.

I agree with this 100% ,,  also they should stock some in the off season . 


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Posted 10/12/17 - 06:53 PM

This was  my hunting today in Portugal we  reached our limit 2 Red legged Partdrige ( chukar) per huntter per day,  we could only hunt 2 days a week ( huting sesoan is from the first sunday ou thursday of Octuber until 31 of Dezember for chukar and Pheasent.) ,  this is so the birds could breed and try to multiply ,  Here there is no bird stocking done on public lands. The ones that do it are the clubes ( on private land) most clubs will release them in May  +/- so they breed and  became wild,  Some release the birds in the moring before hunting. In my case these were released in May . 22365328_354067298387248_700231321873420


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Posted 10/12/17 - 07:57 PM

This was  my hunting today in Portugal we  reached our limit 2 Red legged Partdrige ( chukar) per huntter per day, .....22365328_354067298387248_700231321873420

 

Nice! Fun day!

 

I note the autoloading shotguns ...... no problems owning them in Portugal?

 

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Posted 10/12/17 - 08:00 PM

Nice! Fun day!

 

I note the autoloading shotguns ...... no problems owning them in Portugal?

 

Mike

No Mike no problem , only allowed 3 shots  ,  






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